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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host and we have the

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premiere who i think i consider the

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premier canadian ufo researcher chris

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rutalsky um rykowski on this evening uh

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this third time has been on the show i

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always love our conversations um this

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is a gentleman that really researches

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the ufos and the goings-on in canada and

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um you know a lot of the things he has

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an interest of course uh right across

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the border here in the united states but

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um again it's always

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always really a great conversation i'm

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sure you'll enjoy that this evening so

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uh the blog this week

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is otis carr the man who patented

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a saucer and uh it's a late 1950s sort

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of a contacty era uh blog that was

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written by michael lauk and so

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and that'll be on as a audio blog later

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this week thank you all that support

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there uh i thank you all every each and

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every one of you for listening and in

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what am i trying to say if you whoops

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hang on just a minute little technical

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taken care of if you want to ask a

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hour of the show but feel free to ask

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questions as we go along here if

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something comes up that's pertinent um i

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will ask the question uh please do put

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the questions in all caps so i catch

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them a lot of a lot of chat come comes

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in that i can't always catch so i think

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that we'll do it uh for now and we're

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chris welcome to the show

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thank you glad to be here yeah always

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always glad to talk to you and so uh off

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air we had just quick little chat we

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might as well talk about it right off

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the bat well

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for the person who has never heard you

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before i want you to go into your

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background a little bit but first of all

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the question was posed to you from bill

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how is

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ufos looked at in canada versus the

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united states so what's your opinion on

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well i think um

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canada is in some ways a little more

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transparent than the united states

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a little more open to the ufo issue and

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the reason i say that

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canada or the canadian government

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has been a little more transparent with

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regard to

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uh investigations and documents than the

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everybody knows you know project blue

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book ended about 1969

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and uh after that point we really have

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no information up until the recent uh

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discovery uh and the revelations from uh

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leslie keane and and so forth from the

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new york times and then more recently

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with the navy uh videos and so forth

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that between 1969 and let's say about

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no official recognition that uh the

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united states government is involved in

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ufo investigations and research in any

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way uh people like paul dean of course

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have found uh numerous documents you

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know between that gap but for the most

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part we really had no information about

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what was going on with regard to ufo

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investigations and research at an

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um we have a complete record from 1947

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the canadian version of blue book or

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magnet and project second story they

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force royal canadian air force uh was

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investigating ufos basically following

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terminated project blue book and the air

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force decided there was nothing of

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scientific value to be gained

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canada which is the best

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equivalent i could have would be for

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example the smithsonian if you can

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um because it had all the scientific

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expertise and and uh and so forth the

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national research council also uh had a

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hand um in space research and they

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to nasa so if you can imagine nasa and

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smithsonian uh together that's what the

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national research council was in fact uh

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the um canadarm that you know went up

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of the space station so that came from

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canada was investigating and uh

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from civilians from pilots and so forth

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um and so you know there was this record

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of investigations in fact as recently as

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um i was going through some documents

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that i hope to be posting

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for everybody to see fairly soon

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um there was an rcmp investigation

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where a woman had seen a very unusual

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ufo and the entire rcmp

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interrogation of this uh

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of this witness uh is actually in these

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the national research council of canada

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this investigation because they were

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agencies that were helping them but they

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geological standpoint of meteorites and

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ufos that were being reported in canada

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you know turn out to be meteors and

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that potentially could lead to the

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discovery of a meteorite on the ground

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if you have enough people who see things

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flying overhead you can triangulate you

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rcmp in canada are more like the fbi and

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there's fbi offices throughout the

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detachments of the mounties all across

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research council or to the royal

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canadian mounted police and the royal

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canadian amount of police would

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the rcmp would conduct the

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investigations and give the information

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canada and they actually did

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meteorite this way

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non-meteoric sightings file you know

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they said well these aren't meteors we

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went into a drawer in the national

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where they were made available to the

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public so the canadian public had full

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access to all the ufo reports made

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national archives of canada in ottawa

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and i went down there many times i you

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know got my library card i had to

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register and fill out a whole bunch of

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forms but i was in ottawa and i would go

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the archives because i would be

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visiting my astronomy colleagues at the

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national research council of canada

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and would look through the the ufo files

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and sometimes i would actually just go

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right to the national research council

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itself and look in the non-meteoric

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files because they were

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in an office that was

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associated with some of

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in astronomy and i would look through

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the current year's files as well so we

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ufos that were being reported which is

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not what was going on in the united

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states i mean certainly civilian

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investigators were compiling these but

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these were the the ones are being

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reported by the um

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police themselves pilots as well as the

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civilians from a variety of locations

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and coordinated it all into the same

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finished in 1995 but we'll get into that

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later in the uh in our discussion but

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but we did it right right thank you and

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i know you have an astronomy background

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as a matter of fact you were the

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president of what was it

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at one time for a while i was the

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president of the royal astronomical

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society of canada's winnipeg center um

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and uh

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uh you know so

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my thing

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was

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helping people appreciate the wonders of

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the universe uh you know during a lunar

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eclipse i would pull out the telescopes

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and set them up in a public park and

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show people

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what the lunar eclipse looks like

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what the rings of saturn look like

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through telescopes and also did my own

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research my background is actually

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my bachelor's degree is in

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astronomy my master's degree is in

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education and i specialize in science

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it's

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translate scientific jargon ease and you

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know wade through all the the scientific

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terminologies so that we can better

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understand what uh scientists are

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discovering and promoting and and so we

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can understand a little bit more of our

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place in the universe

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right and you mentioned

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project blue book stopped in 1969

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i i

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personally well

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from the people i've talked to over the

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years

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probably

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think that something was going some

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research was going on it was just kept

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off the books so to speak i would

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imagine because the phenomenon certainly

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has not stopped and you know there's

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people that claim that project blue book

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was kind of like window addressing there

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was something else uh going on behind

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the scenes with even you know deeper

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research i don't know if any of that's

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true or not but uh

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i think it is as a matter of fact there

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was a

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famous document called the low

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memorandum

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um where it was admitted in a in this

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document

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um which was made public eventually

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uh that the really good cases were not

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going to blue book

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um

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that uh the

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blue book itself was a public relations

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exercise

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so you know there's

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there's a lot of evidence that uh

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there's much more going on and you know

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since the release of uh some of the

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material that that came forward from

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leslie keene and her colleagues

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and uh the release of the navy videos

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and so forth uh we found out that there

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was a uh uh you know an actual program

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uh investigating ufos in the united

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states between 2007-2012

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and

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um

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what went on before 2007 we're not

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entirely sure

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and after that you know we're not

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entirely sure either but what we do know

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is that now with the uap task force

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uh which is actually overdue in some of

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its reports already um that you know

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maybe we're going to find out a little

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bit more about what's currently being

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seen and uh and uh uh tracked down and

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reported by uh you know military

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personnel

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yeah um you know it's funny that

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our government is talking about

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you know they're talking about looking

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mostly at the military

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you know because of the data but still i

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think there's so much that the public

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can add to this whole thing and

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hopefully they'll

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you know they'll get more information

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than just military but we'll see how

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that goes uh

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yeah

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i sympathize um with the people involved

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in this because

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uh they're looking for instrumented

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observations actually uh avilobe same

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sort of thing as project galileo they

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want instrumented observations they're

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not really interested in just the

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average person's

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first-hand

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eyewitness account they want something

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that is recorded on digital

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film or radar or whatever um so that we

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have an accurate uh understanding what

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was seen

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uh and so a lot of of the personal

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eyewitness observations the average

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person's uh ufo reports uh seem

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uninteresting or

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invalidated perhaps by by some of this

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the certainly the ufp task force doesn't

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seem to have any

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way uh or mandate to accept reports from

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the public strictly from

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uh you know high quality admittedly

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uh witnesses like military personnel but

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uh the problem is that uh eyewitness

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reports

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of objects in the sky have always been a

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part of

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ufo and now uap investigations and data

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when sputnik was launched in the 50s

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the

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public

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uh to uh you know to to track whatever

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the objects were in the sky so they can

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better understand the orbit the amateur

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radio uh enthusiasts tracked the uh the

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uh the signal as it was passing overhead

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for example

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um so that was all civilian uh in

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addition to the military

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um and you know even more recently

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when um

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uh when some of the stealth fighters

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were being tested

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uh right right over the united states uh

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they relied on um

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some plane spotters

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uh civilian plane spotters to you know

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uh to record these observations of the

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uh the jet contrails the uh the string

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of pearls contrails that were seen most

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likely most often with the stealth

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fighters and a better understanding of

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what was being flown even though they

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were classified top secret a lot of

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people in the aerospace industry because

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of civilian

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uh observations were able to piece piece

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together what some of these aircraft

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were capable of doing and they actually

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had a lot of the

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these specs pretty well worked out for

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some of the stealth fighters uh be based

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on eyewitness observations so

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you know eyewitness observations are

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still important um and give us a good

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obser a good uh

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a good data set i mean people who study

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the uh

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uh the migration of the monarch

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butterfly

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uh you know they rely on civilian uh

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ornithologists uh so not ornithologists

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but entomologists uh to uh to better

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understand you know how many uh the

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monarchs are in one particular area and

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and so forth and you know bird watchers

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same sort of thing ornithologists uh

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coming apart

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greatly assisted by uh

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by uh you know uh the average bird

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watcher so you know eyewitness

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observations are important and i i'm

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hoping that

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uh the uap task force is not going to

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just throw the baby out with the

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bathwater

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right right i wanted to show you this uh

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this someone just sent me today and i

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thought it was a great little clip and i

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could put this in the show notes too the

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it's basically um jets

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this is back in 1952 when the big flap

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was going on this is july 29th it talks

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all about the flap going on around the

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capital that we're seeing on radar and

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things like that but i thought it was

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interesting to show uh this and this is

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fall river not really that far away from

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where i am right now

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uh fall river massachusetts but anyway

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the

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interesting thing about this is it talks

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about the military having these new

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cameras and they're finally going to be

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able to solve what ufos are

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i love that so that's back in 1952 and

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they're talking about being dogged for

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seven years and now it's about time

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they're going to be able to show

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uh you know what these things are with

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his new military cameras

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yes well i'm sure well i'm sure that

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would be the case yeah

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as we've been told and still get told

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and i you know i've said on this show a

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number of times that i don't really

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believe that in my lifetime it's

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possible but i really i don't have any

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high hopes that we're going to find out

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what they are in my lifetime but it's

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possible

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be more questions is what i think it'll

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be

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the more we look into it uh so i

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promised uh the listeners that you would

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tell for the person has never heard um

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you know you on this show before if you

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give them a quick uh nutshell of your

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background and what got you interested

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in this topic

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oh well that's a

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the

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a lot of time here oh that's true

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um you know i i grew up um

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[Music]

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watching uh when i was a kid i remember

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my parents plopping me down in front of

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the tv and uh watching the mercury and

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gemini launches for example

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um and then in school i remember the

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uh the teacher rolled out a

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uh a tv set and watched we watched neil

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armstrong walk on the moon

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so you know i was sort of a product of a

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child of the space age i suppose is the

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term for it

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and

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in um

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in the mid 1970s there was a significant

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uh

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flap of ufos here in canada that was

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going on in our particular area

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and because i was i was actually i think

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a member of the astronomy club or

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something like that in high school

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very geeky by the way

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but

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and i remember in the astronomy club

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people were talking about what are these

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ufos that people are seeing so

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um i actually

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um

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you know was was curious enough to go

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out to where some of the ufos were being

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reported and talked to some of the the

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farmers who had been seeing them over

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their farm yards

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and then when i got into university and

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i was taking my astronomy courses

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my astronomy profs

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um you know they weren't crazy about the

554
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whole ufo thing they thought it was all

555
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nonsense and people saw them were

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touched in the head or something

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but the phone calls from some of the

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people who were seeing the ufos kept

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coming in

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uh to the astronomy office

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and my profs are getting a little ticked

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off at this because you know it's it's

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not something they're interested in i

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want to focus on the serious research

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you know

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and i happen to be in my one of my profs

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offices

568
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:37,919
when a phone call came in

569
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:39,600
and he was so miffed about it i said you

570
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:41,840
know why don't you just let me take the

571
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:44,240
phone calls you know on my my little

572
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:45,919
carol where i'm i'm studying is right

573
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:47,840
around the corner from your office next

574
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:49,200
time a call comes in just let me know

575
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:50,480
and i'll i'll take the call and i'll

576
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:51,679
talk because i wanted to get on the

577
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:53,679
profits good side

578
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:55,760
well i started talking with

579
00:22:01,990 --> 00:21:59,440
more people who had seen ufos i

580
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:02,000
went out into the countryside visiting

581
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:04,159
people in their homes

582
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:05,200
and

583
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,400
for the most part i could

584
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:10,559
explain most of the ufo reports that

585
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:12,400
were coming in you know a lot where

586
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:15,440
stars and planets and and some aircraft

587
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:17,600
and so forth and satellites

588
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:19,600
but there is you know some that i didn't

589
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:21,440
i didn't know what those were and uh

590
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:23,679
that was curious and so i took it upon

591
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:26,320
it uh myself as a as a scientific

592
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:29,679
curiosity a puzzle that had to be solved

593
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:31,840
um but i needed more data so i began

594
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,280
investigating and talking to more and

595
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:35,679
more people

596
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:38,640
and somewhere about uh i think was

597
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:40,799
several months later

598
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,440
there was a

599
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:45,200
used to be a departmental meeting in the

600
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:46,880
physics department which is where

601
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:49,600
astronomy was at the time

602
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:51,840
and every friday afternoon

603
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:52,880
um

604
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:55,200
i think it was friday's anyways every

605
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:56,720
once in a while they had a departmental

606
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:58,480
meeting in the boardroom and somebody

607
00:23:01,990 --> 00:23:00,240
with some interesting research

608
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,000
you know could present it and usually it

609
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:04,080
was some one of the profs

610
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:06,720
um and somebody canceled and

611
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,000
my prof uh asked me you know would you

612
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:12,080
want to just tell people about the ufos

613
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:13,840
that you've heard about

614
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:15,520
i said sure which is very unusual to

615
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:16,880
have an undergraduate student giving a

616
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,039
presentation um at

617
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:21,120
a graduate level

618
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,960
but i said okay

619
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:24,960
and they had actually advertised this

620
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:26,880
was a couple of days in advance and when

621
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:29,200
they advertised it somebody told the

622
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,400
media

623
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,080
uh that there's gonna be a talk about

624
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,480
ufos at the university

625
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:37,200
and the the morning as i was supposed to

626
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:38,640
give the talk i was told that it was

627
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:40,240
being moved from the departmental

628
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:41,600
boardroom

629
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:44,480
uh to the largest lecture hall on campus

630
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:46,960
which was something like 500 people

631
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:49,039
uh capacity

632
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:52,880
and i ended up giving my first lecture

633
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,400
on ufos as an undergraduate student to a

634
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,720
packed house standing room only with tv

635
00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:00,880
cameras and and the whole bit and after

636
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:02,799
that i was known as the ufo guy and

637
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,679
that's how i got into the ufo thing

638
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:07,919
you kind of you you got it was by

639
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:14,310
that's why i'm doing this is by accident

640
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:16,000
too you know i mean i i happened to be

641
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:18,799
out in i had a ufo sighting

642
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:21,120
i just happened to be out in a certain

643
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:23,120
place at a certain time and that's why

644
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:25,520
i'm here really you know it's uh someone

645
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:28,320
has a question i think what uh this

646
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:30,400
person and please do put the questions

647
00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:31,440
in caps

648
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:34,720
from now on so this uh person was out in

649
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,640
the backyard looking and saw stars and a

650
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,159
succession of lights traveling in a

651
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:40,159
straight line same speed each blinked

652
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:41,600
out and turned back on would that be

653
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:43,919
starlink that sure sounds like starlink

654
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:45,200
yeah they're really

655
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:48,080
they've ramped up uh the number now and

656
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,880
uh i i'm not even sure how many uh they

657
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,039
have now but we're talking you know they

658
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:54,960
hope to get eventually 10 or 20 000 of

659
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:56,720
these things up there

660
00:25:02,230 --> 00:24:59,520
so that'll be that'll be fun huh ufo

661
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:02,240
reporting every five minutes and

662
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:03,039
uh

663
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:07,840
stealth now with all those but yeah

664
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,440
right that is actually starting to be a

665
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:11,600
concern for um

666
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,039
astrophotographers who are doing some

667
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:16,080
deep sky uh photography

668
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,400
um that if you you know you just might

669
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:20,480
get it all timed wrong where you'll get

670
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:21,840
a satellite trail right through your

671
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:24,320
beautiful uh photo of the orion nebula

672
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,000
or something like oh no

673
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,720
yeah that that could very well happen

674
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:30,640
i have to tell you um what year did you

675
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:33,279
say that there was a flap there

676
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,440
that was 1975.

677
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:37,679
i'm not sure exactly when but it was

678
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:41,520
sometimes in the 70s or early 80s

679
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:43,039
this is a story that a friend of mine

680
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,559
told me in

681
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:46,480
montreal

682
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,320
worked on a big appraisal down in

683
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:52,240
atlanta georgia and that's how i met him

684
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,159
to begin with and and um i i told him in

685
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:58,480
a conversation that i do a show on ufos

686
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:01,279
and he told me the story that he was out

687
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:03,200
at up he had a party at his own home he

688
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:06,799
was out on the deck and then um i can't

689
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:09,279
remember if he said a single fighter jet

690
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:11,440
or more than one fighter jets were

691
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:13,279
chasing a disc

692
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,240
and

693
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:16,400
uh everyone saw the whole everyone the

694
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:18,000
whole party stopped everyone's like you

695
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,720
know

696
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,240
like a little bit of mumbling and then

697
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:22,000
it went back on in a party and he said

698
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:23,840
he got up the next day got the paper

699
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:25,279
right away he said he couldn't believe

700
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:26,960
there was nothing in the papers people

701
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,440
had to see it was it was a celebratory

702
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:31,679
uh you know weekend or whatever i'm not

703
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:33,760
sure exactly what weekend it was

704
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,400
but anyway had you heard of any stories

705
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,559
where fighter jets supposedly were were

706
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:40,400
trailing

707
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,159
yeah i've heard from stories like that

708
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:44,400
um i haven't heard that particular story

709
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:46,480
from montreal but you know there there

710
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,320
have been many cases like that both the

711
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:50,240
united states and canada

712
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:51,120
um

713
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:53,120
it might even be possible to track that

714
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,960
down and the reason i say that

715
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:56,559
is one of the other things that i i've

716
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:58,159
done is that

717
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:01,360
in addition to writing books

718
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:05,120
every year since 1989

719
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,240
i've coordinated the canadian ufo survey

720
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,559
and what happened was in the 18 late

721
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,320
1980s

722
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,640
um i was frustrated because i you know i

723
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,240
kept hearing stories from you know all

724
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:18,240
across the country and some people who

725
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,399
are saying you know that that what they

726
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,399
saw was at 11 o'clock at night and some

727
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:24,240
were saying they saw it at four in the

728
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:26,240
afternoon i want to know

729
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:28,080
you know what's the distribution i are

730
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:30,399
more seen at night than during the day

731
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:31,919
what are the colors

732
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:33,760
does the west coast have more sightings

733
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,480
on the east coast

734
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,880
so i got in touch with uh

735
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:40,799
you know my colleagues other other ufo

736
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:44,159
researchers and ufologists across canada

737
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:46,080
uh and i said hey can we just you know

738
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,840
coordinate on our data let's share our

739
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:50,080
data i'll put it all into a database and

740
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,520
we'll do some analysis and we'll be able

741
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:53,279
to you know to do some scientific work

742
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:54,960
because i was you know back i might i

743
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:57,360
was putting on my science hat and i want

744
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:00,840
to you know do some good science here

745
00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:02,720
so um

746
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,399
the uh uh

747
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:06,000
the first year i think we had something

748
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:09,840
like 140 150 ufo uh reports that were

749
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:11,440
submitted from all across canada from

750
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:12,880
all the researchers

751
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:17,039
um the next year there were more and but

752
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:18,640
when we did the analysis you know we

753
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:21,200
found some basic things that

754
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:22,799
there were more

755
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:24,320
sightings in the summer than the winter

756
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,000
which canada you know there's more

757
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,720
people looking up outside

758
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,720
in this summer than they would be in 40

759
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,720
below in the winter um so that kind of

760
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:34,720
made sense and then we you know did some

761
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:37,520
analysis on shapes and and uh

762
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:38,640
um

763
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:41,200
duration and what time of day and you

764
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:42,320
know whether

765
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:44,080
uh whether there was more than one

766
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,919
witness that type of thing

767
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,080
it was received very well

768
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,159
and so we did it a second year

769
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:52,240
and then a third year

770
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:55,679
and um this past year

771
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:59,120
in fact we've released the 2021 data

772
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:01,039
already

773
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:02,240
although we didn't put out a news

774
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:03,919
release this year

775
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:04,880
but

776
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:07,279
we found that there on average was about

777
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:11,520
1 000 ufo reports in canada

778
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:13,919
over the each year for the past i don't

779
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,080
know 10 years or so something like that

780
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,029
and you know

781
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:24,000
we've amassed up until this past year

782
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:27,440
something like 23 000 separate ufo

783
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:28,559
reports

784
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:30,559
which is more than blue book

785
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:33,679
wow yeah and certainly more than a a lot

786
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,840
of other organizations have and we've

787
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,600
done some basic analyses and we also

788
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:39,600
made the data available we've published

789
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,440
it every year

790
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,200
the analysis is made

791
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:45,120
available every year

792
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:46,159
and

793
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:47,360
some

794
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:53,200
scientists for other analyses

795
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:56,320
um we found that

796
00:30:03,430 --> 00:29:58,960
our ufo data was being used in a course

797
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,440
on statistics um at a university uh i

798
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:05,520
had requests for the data from

799
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:06,960
scientific institutions who wanted to

800
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:09,440
take a look at it so i think the idea is

801
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:10,640
this is what

802
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,760
you know is being seen by people and the

803
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:15,440
reports that we get are not just you

804
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:17,919
know things that people phone in on

805
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:20,960
um or or these days email in

806
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:23,679
but uh these are reports from the

807
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:26,720
government from military from pilots

808
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:28,880
from uh something called transport

809
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:30,559
canada which is the canadian equivalent

810
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:32,159
of the faa

811
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:35,440
uh from as i mentioned the military um

812
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,600
and it's all across the entire country

813
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:39,840
so it's a snapshot of what's being

814
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:43,039
reported in one country in one year

815
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,880
and um

816
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,399
you know when we were started doing it

817
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:48,080
nobody had even

818
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:49,200
thought of it doing it in other

819
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:50,640
countries since then a few other

820
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:51,919
countries have

821
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,240
have gone that route and have have done

822
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:56,320
parallel things uh peter davenport's

823
00:31:03,269 --> 00:30:59,039
nashville national national

824
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,279
ufo uh investigation center

825
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:05,600
uh new fork um

826
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:06,399
yeah

827
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:09,200
it's a it's a great database

828
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,720
but it's all around the world of course

829
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:12,240
uh mostly united states but certainly

830
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,480
does have canadian cases in there uh we

831
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:16,399
also got cases from

832
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,559
uh mufon um and other another other ufo

833
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:22,880
organizations so it really does gather

834
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:25,039
together as many ufo reports in one year

835
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,279
as possible from all the sources so

836
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:29,279
we think we have a good handle on what

837
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:31,039
people are seeing and over the course of

838
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:33,120
using all these data

839
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,799
um you know 23 000 separate data points

840
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,720
we have a pretty good idea of what

841
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:40,559
people are seeing and you know that the

842
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,559
time of the day

843
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,320
are fairly consistent

844
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:46,399
but it's also true that

845
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:47,760
um

846
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:50,799
population is a really big factor in

847
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:51,600
that

848
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,640
uh the more population there is in a

849
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:56,159
particular area the more likely there

850
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,000
will be more ufo reports

851
00:32:01,669 --> 00:32:00,000
yes with the tree falling in the forest

852
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:01,679
yeah in reverse

853
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:04,480
um so it it's sort of if people say you

854
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,960
know is there a ufo hot spot well i say

855
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,880
the the largest number of ufo sightings

856
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,720
comes from the largest city does that

857
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,720
make it a hot spot or does that mean

858
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:14,000
that just there's you know a lot of

859
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:15,919
people there to be able to see to see

860
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,720
ufos um but because we also calculate um

861
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:22,240
you know uh

862
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:24,159
the provinces or the you know the states

863
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:25,360
for example

864
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:27,440
are there more in provinces

865
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,440
in the east coast versus the west coast

866
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:31,600
and it turns out that canadian provinces

867
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:34,240
with fairly small populations

868
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:35,679
uh per

869
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:39,440
um per capita have more ufo sightings

870
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,679
than they should or that they they ought

871
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:43,600
to so there's interesting things that

872
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:45,200
come out of this

873
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:47,600
and uh

874
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:49,600
it's the type of thing where you know we

875
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,640
have the data and be nice to be able to

876
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:54,000
say to

877
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:56,000
uh you know some other researchers like

878
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,679
the government researchers

879
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:59,279
hey here's the data

880
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:01,120
um you know this is what we know about

881
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:03,200
ufos and this is some of the results

882
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,240
that we have

883
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,240
uh maybe you can use some of it in your

884
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:08,320
own research and that has been

885
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:10,960
relatively successful

886
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,760
and as a matter of fact

887
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,960
i'm not sure if the news made it down

888
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:16,799
the united states or not but canadian

889
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:19,360
politicians have started coming out

890
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:22,000
publicly out of the closet

891
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,559
regarding interest in ufos i saw

892
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:26,880
something about that yes yeah

893
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,640
and somebody um filed a um

894
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:33,039
an accessed information request in

895
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:34,320
canada they're not freedom of

896
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,760
information requests their access to

897
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,679
information requests and somebody filed

898
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:39,360
one because they had heard

899
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:42,559
uh that the minister of defense here in

900
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:45,840
canada last year in 2021

901
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,640
was briefed on ufos

902
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:50,559
as to what canada was doing

903
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:52,720
so when they filed the request

904
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:55,840
they were surprised to get um

905
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:58,240
the set of slides from the powerpoint

906
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,840
presentation that was given to the

907
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:01,679
minister of defense now to put this in

908
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:02,960
perspective

909
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,440
um just imagine if the secretary of

910
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:07,440
defense the united states

911
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,520
was briefed on ufos that would be pretty

912
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,599
big news and it would be pretty big to

913
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:13,679
get the powerpoint set

914
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:14,879
uh that was

915
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:18,079
the secretary of defense well the the

916
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,760
minister of defense in canada was

917
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:21,119
briefed

918
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:24,000
the person who filed it did get

919
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:25,440
the

920
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:31,839
government had been doing basically what

921
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:33,839
i just talked about at the beginning and

922
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,679
then a little bit later on it said

923
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:37,280
but currently ufo reports go to chris

924
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,839
murkowski of ufology research

925
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,399
so the minister of defense in canada was

926
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:44,320
told that i

927
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:48,000
am looking into the ufos in canada

928
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:49,839
uh i think did you write that on

929
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,359
facebook or something i saw that

930
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:53,440
somewhere i i i

931
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:54,240
uh

932
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:56,079
added to it somebody else had posted

933
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,320
about it but i i had to respond to it

934
00:35:01,190 --> 00:35:00,000
yeah it's yeah and

935
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:01,200
it's

936
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:06,400
mulder there's there's no question

937
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:09,680
yeah the resemblance is very striking

938
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:14,829
who's scully no yeah

939
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:17,599
so this report that you put out every

940
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:19,920
year where can someone find that and

941
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:21,119
what type

942
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:23,040
i remember when it came out i remember

943
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:24,960
one of the times anyway i don't remember

944
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:27,200
the way the time flies by if it was last

945
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,359
year or this year but when what time of

946
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:31,200
year should they look for that and where

947
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:32,560
do they find it

948
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:33,839
normally we

949
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:36,960
try to get it out march or april

950
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:39,680
uh this year uh because of the pandemic

951
00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:42,000
and a few other things we didn't get it

952
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:45,320
out until may but it's at

953
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:47,920
survey.canadianufo report.com oh wait uh

954
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:49,839
i have to make a correction uh we

955
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:52,240
switched our internet provider

956
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,200
okay

957
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,280
this is what we'll do if you would when

958
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,200
the show's over please email that to me

959
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:59,200
and i'll put it in the text below and

960
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,720
i'll also put it in the show notes for

961
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,800
the audio listener yeah we have to

962
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:05,040
change the uh the uh

963
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:07,520
uh the earl because uh

964
00:36:11,310 --> 00:36:10,160
uh the provider changed it so but

965
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:11,320
actually survey.canadian

966
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:12,640
survey.canadianuforreport.com actually

967
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,720
does get you to the original survey page

968
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:16,400
so the the previous ones are in there

969
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,599
but the most recent one is at a

970
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:19,680
different site but uh you can you can

971
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,400
find our data there yeah yeah and uh i

972
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:23,920
read somewhere now i don't know if it

973
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,520
was this year uh from last year or not

974
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:29,520
but it said something like there was a

975
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:33,040
big increase in in reports was that last

976
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:34,800
year was that the year before no well

977
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:36,400
that's curious it was the year before it

978
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,079
turns out that

979
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,560
um in 2020

980
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,560
uh when we started compiling the ufo

981
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,240
reports actually even before we were

982
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,839
compiling it during the midst of the

983
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:47,359
pandemic during the first set of

984
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:48,960
lockdowns we noticed we were getting

985
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:50,720
more ufo reports and more were being

986
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:51,680
filed

987
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,079
and i thought that was a little strange

988
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:56,400
and when we finally did the analysis

989
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,480
because we have to get the entire year

990
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:00,400
and then we take a few months to work on

991
00:37:07,230 --> 00:37:04,160
it so in the early 2021 we found

992
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:07,240
that the number of reports for 2020 were

993
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:09,920
significantly higher

994
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:10,800
than

995
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:15,839
2019 in fact of the order of 30 40 50

996
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:18,079
uh depending on the month so it's very

997
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:19,359
significantly

998
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:20,240
higher

999
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:21,680
mentioned that we have somewhere around

1000
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:23,200
a thousand cases

1001
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:28,320
uh per year uh so i think in 2021

1002
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:30,400
sorry 20 in 2020

1003
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,839
uh i think we were up to 1500 or 1400

1004
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:35,280
something like that

1005
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:37,359
so it was quite significant

1006
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:38,560
i'll say

1007
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,599
however

1008
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:41,280
oh and so the explanation was well

1009
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:43,280
because of the pandemic people are you

1010
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:46,160
know they can't go out to bars

1011
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:47,520
parties or whatever so they're standing

1012
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:48,720
around in their backyards and they're

1013
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:49,920
looking up and that's why they're seeing

1014
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:52,160
more ufos

1015
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:56,560
well the trouble is that in 2021

1016
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:58,079
you know the lockdowns were still in

1017
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,720
effect in a lot of places

1018
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:02,800
but the number of ufo ufo reports

1019
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:05,680
plummeted in fact and one of the in fact

1020
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:08,400
i think is the uh almost the uh the one

1021
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,200
of the lowest rates of ufo uh reports on

1022
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,160
record uh during the 30 years i think

1023
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,240
we're down to like 700 reports which i

1024
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,200
think was um probably the lowest in at

1025
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:21,599
least 20 years 15 to 20 years or so

1026
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:23,599
something like that

1027
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:25,280
and so if the explanation for the

1028
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:27,200
increase in 2020 was because of the

1029
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:29,520
pandemic well the pandemic was still

1030
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:32,079
you know early in 2021 we were still in

1031
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:33,920
the midst of the pandemic

1032
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:37,119
with a lot of lockdowns so

1033
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:39,920
uh why was the number of ufo reports uh

1034
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:42,320
so far down so

1035
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:45,359
oh it's pandemic fatigue and they didn't

1036
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:47,599
everything was fatigued yeah

1037
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:48,880
yeah yeah

1038
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:50,960
well that is strange isn't it really it

1039
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:52,880
is it is curious

1040
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:56,079
yeah um here's a question in chat and uh

1041
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:57,920
i want to just add to it what's your

1042
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,480
opinion on schoolyard ufo sightings

1043
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,160
such as the ariel school encounter by

1044
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,000
the way that movie is out still you can

1045
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,000
still get it and i highly recommend it

1046
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:08,400
it's a great everyone that's watched it

1047
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,000
that reaches out to me

1048
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,000
tells me how much they love that movie

1049
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:14,400
the ariel phenomenon anyway

1050
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:17,200
are there any school encounters that

1051
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:19,920
you're aware of in canada

1052
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:21,920
yeah there actually are a number of uh

1053
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:24,560
school sightings i mean uh you know

1054
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:25,920
historically there have been a lot of

1055
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:27,520
schools schoolyard sightings around the

1056
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,960
world there have been a few in canada as

1057
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,800
i remember there's one up in thompson

1058
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:32,400
manitoba

1059
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:34,000
in the middle of winter where kids are

1060
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,320
playing uh having a snowball fight and

1061
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:38,160
then tobogganing and so forth on the ufo

1062
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:40,079
came right over the schoolyard with

1063
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:43,440
regard to the aerial one um i was at the

1064
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:46,240
international ufo congress

1065
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:47,599
trying to remember what year was this

1066
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:51,200
now was it 2060 27 2017.

1067
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:52,560
yeah i think

1068
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:55,119
and emily emily trim was there emily

1069
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:58,240
emily was there yeah um and uh i had a

1070
00:40:02,470 --> 00:39:59,920
chance to talk with her i heard her

1071
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:02,480
story i was very impressed

1072
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:05,440
it's a fascinating story

1073
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:08,960
i know that um

1074
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:11,520
uh john mack uh

1075
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:14,640
was uh he went down there to investigate

1076
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,040
the original investigator was oh i can't

1077
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:19,200
remember her name now um

1078
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:20,800
oh yes

1079
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:21,599
uh

1080
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,960
oh i'm going blank um

1081
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,720
her in that movie but i can't remember

1082
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:28,880
her south african woman

1083
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,760
um

1084
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,440
and she uh

1085
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,440
she was the original investigator

1086
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:35,680
uh did a really wonderful job john mack

1087
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:37,359
may have actually led

1088
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:40,319
some of the children in their testimony

1089
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:42,160
so there's some issues with you know in

1090
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:43,599
regard to that

1091
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:44,720
um

1092
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:47,520
and yet when you do listen to uh some of

1093
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:50,079
the original witnesses like like emily

1094
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:51,440
uh you do get

1095
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:53,119
you know a sense that something really

1096
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:54,640
profound occurred

1097
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:57,520
um and uh you know whether there was

1098
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:59,599
some contamination from other students

1099
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,280
and some of us some of them may have

1100
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,440
made some of the stuff up emily's story

1101
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:05,119
is is very fascinating and very

1102
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:06,560
convincing so

1103
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,920
uh i i think as with any ufo case you

1104
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:11,359
have to take it all with a grain of sand

1105
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,760
but you have to you know objectively

1106
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:15,680
look at what was reported and

1107
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:18,000
you know some of the the the children uh

1108
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,760
you know really report something very

1109
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:21,440
very strange that that had happened to

1110
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:23,920
them yeah i think if if anyone that

1111
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:27,200
watches that movie the aerial phenomenon

1112
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:28,079
you're

1113
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:30,560
pro if you are on the fence

1114
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:33,280
about that before you may not be after

1115
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:35,599
it's just so so convincing to watch that

1116
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:37,040
and you're right about emily she's a

1117
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:39,520
very uh emotional story

1118
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:43,040
and she told that personally i remember

1119
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:44,880
i was there i think i was helping out

1120
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:45,920
there and

1121
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:47,599
i believe she got a standing ovation

1122
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:49,119
because she was just you everyone could

1123
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:51,760
tell she was so moved um and it was a

1124
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:53,680
real traumatic thing for her to tell her

1125
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:56,160
her story yeah and and the fact that it

1126
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:58,400
affected her to the point where uh even

1127
00:42:02,950 --> 00:41:59,760
as an adult

1128
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:02,960
now um you know she has vivid dreams and

1129
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,040
uh it's inspired her to make beautiful

1130
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,000
paintings uh spacescapes and so forth so

1131
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:10,640
it's you know it changed your life um

1132
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:13,520
and uh when you have cases like that

1133
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:16,000
uh that you know make such an impact on

1134
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,920
the witnesses lives it really does

1135
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:19,440
attest to the uh

1136
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:20,800
to the

1137
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:23,200
significance of the phenomena

1138
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:24,000
now

1139
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:26,560
you're right when you first

1140
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:28,640
were you first started getting all these

1141
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:31,040
ufo reports and everyone was coming to

1142
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,400
you for ufos and and all that was there

1143
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:36,720
any downside to that in your life has

1144
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:39,119
that have you ever had to face ridicule

1145
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:41,599
for doing this type of research

1146
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:44,240
that's a really good question um one

1147
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:45,839
thing i often hear about is how the

1148
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:48,640
media is not paying any attention to

1149
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:50,079
ufos and

1150
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:51,359
uh their

1151
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:53,119
um they're just ridiculing the whole

1152
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:54,240
thing

1153
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,839
you know i i

1154
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,760
i've been doing interviews about ufos

1155
00:43:02,069 --> 00:42:59,280
since the 70s

1156
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:02,079
and i would say i can count on one hand

1157
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:03,520
the number of interviews that i've done

1158
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:04,720
with media

1159
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:06,400
that

1160
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:10,400
media have treated

1161
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:13,599
me with a significant respect

1162
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:15,359
um

1163
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:18,160
and have treated it very very straight

1164
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:19,359
um

1165
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:22,000
that uh you know this is because i'm not

1166
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:24,319
i'm not going off uh

1167
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:25,599
like some

1168
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,720
uh people in ufology talking about

1169
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,000
you know

1170
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:32,240
alien consciousness and telepathic

1171
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:33,839
communication with extraterrestrial

1172
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,400
galactic federations and you know that

1173
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:38,640
type of thing i'm talking about the

1174
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:40,640
facts of the matter and the facts are

1175
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,240
people are reporting ufos some of the

1176
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:44,240
people are pilots and air traffic

1177
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,079
control operators this is what they're

1178
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:48,480
reporting we have documents that attest

1179
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,040
this uh we know that so many occur in

1180
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,280
certain months and and other months

1181
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:55,280
there's different data

1182
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,920
uh and i treat it very straight i mean i

1183
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:00,000
i have fun with it as you can see behind

1184
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,000
me uh that uh uh i have quite a

1185
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:06,000
huge collection of of books and

1186
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:07,440
paraphernalia

1187
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,800
um ranging from ranging from

1188
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,480
ufo beer

1189
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:14,720
uh to to the actual

1190
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:18,720
this way to to the actual reddit alien

1191
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:20,800
and close encounters

1192
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:23,359
and uh this way again well i know you

1193
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:24,640
know you're realizing you have to point

1194
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:26,079
backwards in this

1195
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:27,920
point records yeah yeah that's pretty

1196
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:31,359
funny yeah people are commenting on uh

1197
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,240
your adult toys they were saying

1198
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,560
at the beginning of this but yeah like

1199
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,560
alejandro rojas he has a lot of stuff

1200
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:40,319
like that too yeah and philip matt

1201
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:41,760
actually i've

1202
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,520
given some stuff to philip mantle i

1203
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,520
shipped some stuff off to him

1204
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:48,000
uh he has a huge immense collection and

1205
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:51,040
i've actually started um scaling down my

1206
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,640
collection in fact

1207
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:54,480
most of my you can't see most of the

1208
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:57,280
bookcases in this office are empty now

1209
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:58,400
because

1210
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:01,839
um i've actually begun donating all my

1211
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:05,839
files on ufo reports and my books

1212
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,640
to an archives

1213
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:10,079
the archives at the university of

1214
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:11,280
manitoba

1215
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:12,720
asked me one day if i would be

1216
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:16,160
interested in donating some of my papers

1217
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:18,640
and materials regarding ufos for

1218
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:20,079
preservation

1219
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:21,359
um and

1220
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:22,880
i thought about it i thought well yeah

1221
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:25,280
you know not a bad idea because

1222
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:27,040
uh at least i know they're gonna go

1223
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,640
somewhere and that other researchers

1224
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:29,920
will be able to use

1225
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,200
the the uh the material uh and at this

1226
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:34,800
point i've shipped

1227
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,760
all the books except up now up to i

1228
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:39,839
think the letter s

1229
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:42,240
uh are in archives now

1230
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:46,880
um and as far as my ufo files um all of

1231
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:47,760
the

1232
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:50,400
23 000 ufo files

1233
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:53,760
uh are now actually in the archives and

1234
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:57,040
it's a slow process to digitize them um

1235
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,079
actually uh i'm having some assistance

1236
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,640
in digitizing selected years and

1237
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,280
selected material and actually had hoped

1238
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:07,280
uh by today to uh

1239
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:08,960
to have a link for people to look at

1240
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:11,440
some of the the uh the digitized uh

1241
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:13,200
files hasn't hasn't happened yet

1242
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:14,400
unfortunately

1243
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:15,680
but um

1244
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:17,760
uh the idea is to make it um all

1245
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:20,720
available and uh

1246
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:22,880
this is something that that uh has been

1247
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:24,720
started um you people are probably aware

1248
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,960
that stanton friedman after his passing

1249
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:28,400
his family

1250
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,599
donated his materials to the

1251
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,680
province of new brunswick's

1252
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:35,520
archives which is being administered by

1253
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:37,760
the university but it's as part of the

1254
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,839
the government so stanton's

1255
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,440
files on the united states government

1256
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,680
investigations to ufos is now being

1257
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:45,920
looked after by the canadian government

1258
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:48,480
perfect if you if you can imagine that

1259
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:51,040
yeah and there's been a few other uh you

1260
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,800
know good collections that have been

1261
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:54,560
made available as well

1262
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,760
i think that's great dave marler is

1263
00:47:01,990 --> 00:46:59,760
has set it up so his

1264
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:02,000
all of his collection his beautiful

1265
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:03,599
archives are all going to go to our

1266
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:05,119
university as well yeah he just heard

1267
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:07,040
that recently yep yep and everything

1268
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:09,760
will be taken care of it'll all be in

1269
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,720
archival materials uh climate controlled

1270
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:14,400
uh you know i'm not sure most people

1271
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:17,200
don't have that type of uh access to

1272
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:19,040
that type of equipment you know where

1273
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:21,040
we're in a home or something like this

1274
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,200
yeah i mean the the archives that mine

1275
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,280
have donated to same sort of thing

1276
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:27,920
climate control white gloves to uh to

1277
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,079
handle things and so forth so

1278
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:32,400
uh it's uh it's gonna be good

1279
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:36,400
yeah yeah and forever looked after and

1280
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:39,440
when someone needs to do research

1281
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:41,359
it's so much easier to go to a place

1282
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,599
like you know university

1283
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:45,520
and have it all in one location and

1284
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:47,200
especially when it's coming in from

1285
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,240
multiple

1286
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:50,319
places in a large archive

1287
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:51,520
it's going to attract people that want

1288
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:53,520
to do research so sure and barry

1289
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:54,880
greenwood and others

1290
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:57,839
are uh are working on digitizing

1291
00:48:01,990 --> 00:47:59,440
uh and that's great

1292
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:02,000
that makes it so easy yeah jen aldrich

1293
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:04,240
barry greenwood and uh yes david marlar

1294
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:05,520
in the

1295
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:07,760
been digitizing isaac coy

1296
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:08,720
um

1297
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,400
and mine is going to be like that as

1298
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:12,480
well as a matter of fact the

1299
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,880
the libraries and archives canada

1300
00:48:21,549 --> 00:48:16,000
um

1301
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:21,559
until about

1302
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:25,920
1982 or 81 something 82 i think so um

1303
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,520
all the ufo reports from the uh

1304
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:31,359
royal canadian air force national

1305
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,400
research council of canada and a lot of

1306
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:36,720
uh rookie and mounted police files are

1307
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,670
and

1308
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:45,760
they digitized it because of the you

1309
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:48,400
know the public interest in ufos um some

1310
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,920
people said this was disclosure but it

1311
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,359
wasn't disclosure they're they're

1312
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:53,280
digitizing a lot of stuff and they just

1313
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:54,480
said well a lot of people are interested

1314
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:57,040
in ufos let's digitize this

1315
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:00,640
um so i think it's something like 9 500

1316
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:02,800
so almost 10 000

1317
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:04,880
uh separate documents were digitized as

1318
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:06,400
part of this project and are currently

1319
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:07,599
available

1320
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:08,720
um

1321
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:10,559
and they as i understand it they don't

1322
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,559
have any plans to go beyond

1323
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:14,160
1982

1324
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:16,880
but i'm working on that myself

1325
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:20,000
uh i have a a good chunk of that there's

1326
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:22,800
some missing years um because what

1327
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:24,800
happened was that the

1328
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:27,280
um the national research council in the

1329
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:29,760
early 90s decided to get out of the ufo

1330
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:31,040
biz

1331
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:32,720
and what happened was

1332
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,839
that

1333
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:35,520
they were a little embarrassed because

1334
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:37,839
in their annual budget they had a line

1335
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:38,880
item

1336
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:41,280
uh for someone to look after the

1337
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:44,160
non-meteoric sightings file so they ufos

1338
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:46,079
were in their their annual budget the

1339
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:48,000
governmental budget they thought

1340
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:50,079
we probably shouldn't have ufos in the

1341
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:51,520
government budget

1342
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,240
um just just that's too bad yeah um

1343
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,640
and also because uh the

1344
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,800
uh they're working on the canadarm and

1345
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:02,880
the canadian space agency have really

1346
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:05,520
moved away from meteors into uh other

1347
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:06,480
things

1348
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:07,920
uh so they're trying to figure out a way

1349
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:09,359
to get out of it

1350
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,240
and i happen to be in ottawa talking

1351
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:14,400
with some astronomers at the national

1352
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:16,160
research council

1353
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:18,079
and

1354
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:19,440
i was having

1355
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:20,480
lunch

1356
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,839
with one of them

1357
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,520
and he was just saying oh yeah all the

1358
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:25,200
ufo stuff we really don't want to do

1359
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,960
this anymore be nice if somebody could

1360
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,960
take it off our hands

1361
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:30,480
and i said

1362
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:32,720
half jokingly well you can always just

1363
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:35,359
give them all to me

1364
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:37,280
and he looked at me and said oh yeah

1365
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:38,880
yeah not a bad idea and that was the

1366
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:41,760
last i heard of it

1367
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:48,390
when i got a phone call

1368
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:51,200
from a military base in canada

1369
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:55,200
and i was a a major uh of some

1370
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:57,119
particular um

1371
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:58,720
uh

1372
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:59,839
area

1373
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:01,440
and uh he had said are you the guy we're

1374
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:03,119
supposed to be sending the ufo reports

1375
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:04,079
to

1376
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:07,200
and i said yeah absolutely and i started

1377
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:09,520
getting the ufo reports

1378
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:10,640
um

1379
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,839
and uh so from then on until present

1380
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,119
i've been getting

1381
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:17,760
uh reports sent to the

1382
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:20,000
department of national defense

1383
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:21,599
some to the royal canadian mounted

1384
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:22,640
police

1385
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:23,599
um

1386
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:25,280
transport canada

1387
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,920
uh and uh even some that are destined

1388
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:29,520
for something called nav canada again

1389
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:31,280
these are sort of canadian equivalents

1390
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:32,960
of the faa

1391
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:36,240
um and uh some of these reports are are

1392
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,319
reports that are given to norad

1393
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:40,400
uh so i do get some of the norad reports

1394
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:41,599
as well

1395
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:42,559
um

1396
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:44,800
and so we have in the national research

1397
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:46,800
council canada sort of stopped this

1398
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:51,200
arrangement with the rcmp in 1995

1399
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:53,839
and we you know the the

1400
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:57,119
reports from 82 to 95 are not yet

1401
00:52:02,549 --> 00:51:58,960
available

1402
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:02,559
ottawa and go to the archives and look

1403
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:03,760
there but digitally they're not

1404
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:05,839
available we're working on that and

1405
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:08,079
after 95 there's a few years of gaps

1406
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:09,680
that i'm working on to

1407
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:11,359
to retrieve

1408
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:12,800
and then there's the records that we

1409
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:13,760
have

1410
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:16,160
which i'm making available

1411
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:19,440
from 1999 on and this is why i say

1412
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,880
you know the kitty and government has

1413
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:22,319
actually been a little more transparent

1414
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:24,160
than the united states because we have

1415
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:25,599
these reports and they're either

1416
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:28,319
available in paper form in the archives

1417
00:52:31,829 --> 00:52:29,839
or digitally

1418
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:31,839
or in some cases both

1419
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,319
right from 1947

1420
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:36,079
right to the present time

1421
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:37,040
and

1422
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:39,520
uh some of the investigations are very

1423
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,200
very detailed in

1424
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:43,920
in depth in fact a few cases have

1425
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:46,720
um three or four hundred separate pages

1426
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:48,000
of documents

1427
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:50,559
uh of the investigations conducted by

1428
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:52,240
the royal canadian air force and the

1429
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:54,160
royal canadian mounted police

1430
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,800
and it attests to the uh the

1431
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,559
determination of the canadian government

1432
00:53:01,829 --> 00:53:00,480
to get more involved and try to

1433
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:01,839
understand what was going on from a

1434
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,800
scientific point of view and recently

1435
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:06,240
now that the national research council

1436
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:07,440
of canada

1437
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:08,559
is

1438
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:10,160
not involved

1439
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:11,760
the responsibility for a lot of the

1440
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:14,559
investigations uh seems to be

1441
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:17,520
uh in the uh sort of the uh the

1442
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:19,760
proprietary uh

1443
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:23,359
division of uh transport canada the

1444
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:25,200
canadian faa

1445
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,480
so that uh pilot reports are filed

1446
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:30,720
through there and we have access to

1447
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,599
those in fact uh in canada the term is

1448
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:36,000
still ufo in fact transport canada

1449
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:39,119
actually has a has a box for pilots to

1450
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:42,319
tick have you seen a ufo

1451
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:45,359
and uap was you know you know it's an

1452
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:46,319
american

1453
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,359
uh uh decision i suppose from the united

1454
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:51,440
states air force or whoever i was

1455
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:53,119
working on that i mean there's been a

1456
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:54,480
number of terms that have been bandied

1457
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:57,760
about but in canada they're called ufos

1458
00:54:03,829 --> 00:53:59,920
and we do get reports from pilots

1459
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:03,839
reporting ufos all the time

1460
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:04,880
and

1461
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,800
up until i guess

1462
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:08,400
the number of reports has dropped

1463
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:10,960
considerably over the past few years but

1464
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:13,599
i would say you know in the 90s not the

1465
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:16,480
90s the the 2000s and into the mid

1466
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:20,400
20 2010s to 2015 2016

1467
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:22,319
um pilots and air traffic controllers

1468
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,079
were regularly reporting ufos to the

1469
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:25,920
canadian government

1470
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,240
you know it's funny when someone says

1471
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:30,240
when you say to someone

1472
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:32,319
the term uap the average person out

1473
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:33,520
there they'll say what's that and you

1474
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,839
have to say it's ufo

1475
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:37,440
just call the ufo

1476
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:40,400
and be done with it so listen what are

1477
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:41,200
the

1478
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:43,680
um what people call abductions or

1479
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:46,319
experiencers compared to i know you know

1480
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:47,839
there's a lot of comparisons between the

1481
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:49,839
united states and canada how would you

1482
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,520
say i know you did a book on that early

1483
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:53,760
on or some at some point how would you

1484
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:56,079
compare that the two countries as far as

1485
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:57,359
what people are

1486
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:01,440
calling the abductions or experiences

1487
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:04,240
yeah um yeah that book is

1488
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:07,839
titled um uh abductions in aliens what's

1489
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:10,400
really going on

1490
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,280
and what happened was that when uh

1491
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,880
abductions were really starting to

1492
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:17,119
become a little more common

1493
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:20,480
uh i had been approached by some people

1494
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:23,200
who had had some experiences

1495
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,720
they would come up to me after some of

1496
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:26,559
my lectures for example and want to talk

1497
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,400
to me privately and

1498
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:30,480
i would get in touch with them and we'd

1499
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:31,760
talk

1500
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:34,000
and i had started working with a

1501
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:36,160
clinical psychologist

1502
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:38,640
who specialized in doing

1503
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:41,119
hypnotherapy

1504
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:42,400
and

1505
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:45,359
from a professional level

1506
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:47,520
to try and better understand what some

1507
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:50,240
of these people were experiencing

1508
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:51,359
and

1509
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:54,640
i know that a lot of people in ufology

1510
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:56,640
were getting into uh

1511
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:57,680
doing you know learning how to do

1512
00:56:02,549 --> 00:55:59,760
hypnosis themselves and getting involved

1513
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:02,559
in support groups so i very grudgingly

1514
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:03,760
started a

1515
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:06,400
sort of a support group here in canada

1516
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:08,319
um it was based on the

1517
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,079
um you know some of the more uh typical

1518
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:14,559
uh support group uh principles you know

1519
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,240
what's what's said in the group stays in

1520
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,720
the group and no crosstalk and you know

1521
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:20,640
all this sort of stuff and we tried to

1522
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:23,599
be as respectful as possible

1523
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,799
but i

1524
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:27,040
uh and i

1525
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:29,200
i guess after talking with a number of

1526
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:31,520
people who approached me i i decided

1527
00:56:35,109 --> 00:56:33,680
that ufology was not the best

1528
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:35,119
um

1529
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:37,359
place for abductees

1530
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:40,480
uh to uh to come forward with their

1531
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:42,319
stories the reason i say that

1532
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:45,280
is because um

1533
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:47,040
a lot of the individuals who had come

1534
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,520
forward with regard to having ufo

1535
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:51,359
experiences were experiencing a lot of

1536
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:52,559
anxiety

1537
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:00,069
their lives were very uh disrupted

1538
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:03,680
and um it's sort of the my view was you

1539
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:05,680
know uh you know

1540
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:08,799
do no harm sort of the physician's

1541
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:10,960
uh mentality that

1542
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:12,640
i i thought that the clinical

1543
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:15,520
psychologist would be better to uh deal

1544
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:17,760
with people's experiences especially

1545
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:19,920
something some were having such terrible

1546
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:22,400
anxiety they actually attempted suicide

1547
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:25,760
and that's way out of ufology i don't

1548
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:27,280
care how good of a therapist you are i

1549
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:28,559
mean certainly some

1550
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:30,880
kathy martin for example uh are prepared

1551
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,720
for it but the average uh you know

1552
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:34,799
abduction researcher is not and the

1553
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:37,359
average ufologist is not so i said you

1554
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:39,440
know this is this is not

1555
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:41,599
not where i should be

1556
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:43,040
working with this

1557
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,960
um so i uh referred people to a clinical

1558
00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:49,200
psychologist or to other therapists

1559
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:51,680
and actually the support group you know

1560
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:54,799
chugged on merrily without me and was uh

1561
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:55,839
you know

1562
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:58,720
heard i don't i don't know what's

1563
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:01,040
happened uh you know uh come the

1564
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:02,559
pandemic but

1565
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:04,720
uh you know i think

1566
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:07,760
the the issue is you know now that

1567
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:09,520
contactees are

1568
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:12,160
almost indistinguishable from abductees

1569
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:13,280
and i mean there's always been

1570
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:16,880
contactees uh since the 1950s uh the

1571
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:18,559
ones who really get a lot of attention

1572
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:20,480
at ufo conferences now

1573
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:23,359
really are are um

1574
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:25,839
i would say they're not even as uh as

1575
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:27,599
interesting as some of the 1950s who

1576
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:28,960
really got a little more

1577
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:31,280
pizzazz i suppose to them

1578
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:32,720
um

1579
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:34,240
but uh

1580
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:36,319
it's nothing i haven't heard anything

1581
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:38,960
new in terms of uh contactees and

1582
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:41,520
abductions abductees in terms of their

1583
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:45,280
story content since the 1950s

1584
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:46,240
um

1585
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:47,839
so i think it's a recurring phenomenon

1586
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:49,200
that needs to be addressed within

1587
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:50,640
ufology

1588
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:52,240
as for differences between canada the

1589
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:54,640
united states i don't see any difference

1590
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:57,440
between contactees and abductees

1591
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:58,720
from any country i think there's

1592
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:00,799
certainly going to be some contamination

1593
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:02,640
and some similar stories no matter where

1594
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:06,079
you go um and uh

1595
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,319
uh i you know i think the

1596
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:10,640
uh the phenomenon uh you know it's a

1597
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:12,559
separate type of phenomenon within

1598
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:14,960
ufology that that has to be addressed in

1599
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:16,720
some way and i'm not entirely sure what

1600
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:18,640
uh what branch of science or the

1601
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:20,880
humanities needs to be involved

1602
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:22,799
my friend a good friend of mine dean

1603
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:25,760
eliot was doing a film on on

1604
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:27,680
experiencers uh that should be

1605
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:29,520
interesting and you know something is

1606
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:32,799
going on in these poor people um you

1607
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:34,960
know a lot of them are traumatized

1608
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:37,599
whatever it is that's happening and um

1609
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:40,079
i've seen them in groups you know at

1610
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:41,520
meetings and

1611
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:43,280
helping each other you know which is

1612
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:45,520
which is a good thing i think uh here's

1613
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:47,760
a great i think it's a great question

1614
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,480
and uh for mary grace kirby what does

1615
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:52,319
uh prime minister justin trudeau think

1616
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:53,760
about ufos

1617
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:55,440
and you can actually call it ufos in

1618
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:57,839
that country yeah exactly has he ever

1619
01:00:02,150 --> 00:59:59,680
does he ever talk about it has he ever

1620
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:02,160
mentioned it that you know of as far as

1621
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:03,440
i'm aware

1622
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:06,559
trudeau has never talked about ufos

1623
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:07,839
however

1624
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:09,839
um

1625
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:12,240
two of his ministers of defense

1626
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:15,040
are obviously involved at this point um

1627
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:17,200
the harjin sajin who was the minister of

1628
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,920
defense who got the briefing on ufos

1629
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:21,200
um

1630
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:24,319
uh certainly talked with uh with him

1631
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:26,240
with trudeau about it i think there's no

1632
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:27,359
question that we don't have any

1633
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:29,359
documentation of that but if the

1634
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:31,280
minister of defense got a briefing and

1635
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,280
there there was a suggestion that that

1636
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:35,520
in turn was going to be uh used in a

1637
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:37,440
briefing that he was going to give

1638
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:40,400
um that's certainly possible the current

1639
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:42,480
minister of defense

1640
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:43,920
um

1641
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:46,240
uh probably does know because uh

1642
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:48,720
anything that the previous minister

1643
01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:50,480
would have been briefed on would be part

1644
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:53,119
of a package for the incoming

1645
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:55,359
minister of defense so i suspect that

1646
01:01:02,069 --> 01:00:59,599
those two would know uh also um through

1647
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:02,079
my own research i found that uh ufos

1648
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:03,520
have been mentioned

1649
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:05,520
uh in the house of commons uh in

1650
01:01:09,910 --> 01:01:07,200
parliament it'd be the equivalent of a

1651
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:09,920
house of ufos being talked about on the

1652
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:12,400
floor of congress

1653
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:14,640
um and uh

1654
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:17,280
uh they're i think something like 40 or

1655
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:20,559
50 times over the past uh

1656
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:23,200
uh 40 or 50 years that ufos have been

1657
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,760
brought up in parliament

1658
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:27,359
and curiously

1659
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:29,440
um you know there's this congressional

1660
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:30,880
briefing

1661
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:32,799
that everybody was excited about this

1662
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:35,520
year uh regarding the ufos well you know

1663
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:39,440
back in 1966 gerald ford lobbied for a

1664
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:41,599
congressional briefing and got it in

1665
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:44,559
1968

1666
01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:46,400
and the result of that congressional

1667
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:48,319
hearing was that blue book killed

1668
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:50,240
everything by

1669
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:52,240
closing down in 1969 that's whole

1670
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:53,599
continent

1671
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:55,200
of this most

1672
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:56,960
current briefing but as i say there had

1673
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:59,200
been already a a congressional briefing

1674
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:00,880
that some people seem to have forgotten

1675
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:03,119
about but we actually did this already

1676
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:05,200
in the united states there have been

1677
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:06,559
briefings

1678
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:08,720
in canada as well

1679
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:12,000
um there was a briefing to the canadian

1680
01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:14,160
senate uh which is i guess parallel to

1681
01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:16,079
the the american senate

1682
01:02:19,589 --> 01:02:17,119
um

1683
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:19,599
back in 19 oh i'm trying to remember the

1684
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:22,480
year that this happened now in the 60s

1685
01:02:25,829 --> 01:02:23,920
anyways

1686
01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:25,839
where a presentation was given to the

1687
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:31,190
and

1688
01:02:41,029 --> 01:02:37,750
there was a briefing given

1689
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:41,039
to another defense minister

1690
01:02:45,430 --> 01:02:43,839
to the chief of defense staff

1691
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:45,440
which probably found its way into

1692
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:47,599
parliament as well and i've actually

1693
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:49,920
included the entire set of documents

1694
01:02:54,390 --> 01:02:52,160
from that in my new book

1695
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:54,400
because it's so significant that i think

1696
01:02:59,109 --> 01:02:56,960
people should be more aware

1697
01:03:01,990 --> 01:02:59,119
that the canadian government

1698
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:02,000
had a briefing that was presented

1699
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:03,760
describing exactly what was going on in

1700
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:06,400
canada with regard to ufos

1701
01:03:09,750 --> 01:03:07,680
that's great and we haven't really

1702
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:09,760
talked about your book yet

1703
01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:10,640
so

1704
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:13,520
we gotta we have an hour left and a half

1705
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:16,960
hour so we'll be taking calls so what

1706
01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:19,039
what initiated this book this particular

1707
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:19,839
book

1708
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:23,200
and uh there also you mentioned at least

1709
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:26,480
one time it's the lac what's that stand

1710
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:29,200
for again library and archives canada

1711
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:33,599
okay so you're you have access to um

1712
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:36,960
through all these years does it does it

1713
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:39,839
take as much work to get one as a foia

1714
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:41,760
does for the united states or is it

1715
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:44,559
easier access

1716
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:47,200
um i would say it's actually easier i

1717
01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:48,880
mean well if you look at what john

1718
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:50,960
greenwald uh does i mean he's filing

1719
01:03:55,910 --> 01:03:54,000
dozens and dozens every day um and uh

1720
01:03:58,710 --> 01:03:55,920
you know he does get his responses uh

1721
01:04:01,829 --> 01:03:58,720
quite well um

1722
01:04:03,910 --> 01:04:01,839
uh but uh i there's a reporter up here

1723
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:03,920
in canada named daniel otis and he's

1724
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:05,359
been filing things he's oh he's really

1725
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:07,440
new to the ufo game and he's only been

1726
01:04:11,670 --> 01:04:09,200
filing for a couple of years

1727
01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:11,680
and i think the fastest that he's got a

1728
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:14,240
response is a month

1729
01:04:17,670 --> 01:04:16,000
which is way faster than i think it's

1730
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:17,680
been the experience of greenwald in the

1731
01:04:24,309 --> 01:04:20,079
united states yes um

1732
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:24,319
and i the when i file i i mean

1733
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:26,160
my average is a little worse than his

1734
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:27,920
probably about six months or so but i

1735
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:28,880
set off

1736
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:33,280
we'll see how fast those come i i'm not

1737
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:34,880
holding my breath those probably won't

1738
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:36,720
show up until christmas or something

1739
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:37,920
like that but

1740
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:41,680
um i i did i did file uh some myself

1741
01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:43,440
um

1742
01:04:47,029 --> 01:04:44,960
and the

1743
01:04:48,309 --> 01:04:47,039
the material that i have in the in my

1744
01:04:51,270 --> 01:04:48,319
book

1745
01:04:53,029 --> 01:04:51,280
uh for the most part now i would say

1746
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:53,039
90

1747
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:55,039
uh come from publicly available

1748
01:05:01,029 --> 01:04:58,160
documents there we are yeah

1749
01:05:03,029 --> 01:05:01,039
and many have been declassified down

1750
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:03,039
from secret from confidential from

1751
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:07,109
and

1752
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:10,079
um the library of archives canada has

1753
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,000
made all these documents

1754
01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:14,400
um available

1755
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:16,720
online and a lot of people have

1756
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:19,039
downloaded the whole set uh

1757
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:20,880
isaac coy for example and a few others

1758
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:22,160
have downloaded the whole set and made

1759
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:24,480
them available on various websites but

1760
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:25,839
to actually spend time going through all

1761
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:28,799
10 000 documents is a bit of a chore

1762
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:31,200
and so i spent some time going through

1763
01:05:35,190 --> 01:05:33,200
all those documents finding some of the

1764
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:35,200
more interesting cases and interesting

1765
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:37,200
documents and putting them all together

1766
01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:39,280
in the book and i i think we re

1767
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:41,920
reprinted about 50

1768
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:44,720
of the documents

1769
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:46,960
and i i do that because i want to give

1770
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:48,880
the readers a chance

1771
01:05:53,029 --> 01:05:51,760
uh to look at to really look at some of

1772
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:53,039
the more interesting documents

1773
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:54,480
themselves to see what a government

1774
01:06:01,029 --> 01:05:58,240
document about ufos really looks like

1775
01:06:05,190 --> 01:06:03,109
one of the most interesting sets of

1776
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:05,200
documents is what i call

1777
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:11,270
the robertson report

1778
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:12,880
and people are probably familiar with

1779
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:14,400
the robertson committee

1780
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:17,200
yeah 1953 yeah

1781
01:06:23,589 --> 01:06:19,839
and uh but in canada there's a robertson

1782
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:23,599
briefing and it was prepared for the

1783
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:25,839
um chief of defense staff so the the

1784
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:27,440
person who works with the minister of

1785
01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:29,200
defense

1786
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:30,079
and

1787
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:31,039
um

1788
01:06:35,349 --> 01:06:33,680
in reverse to what you know the the most

1789
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:35,359
recent for filing for the minister of

1790
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:37,680
defense that we have the the slides but

1791
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:39,599
we don't have the actual documentation

1792
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:41,280
of what was said

1793
01:06:47,829 --> 01:06:44,640
um the briefing in uh in 1967 by a

1794
01:06:47,839 --> 01:06:52,710
military officer named named robertson

1795
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:54,470
what we have

1796
01:06:59,829 --> 01:06:56,319
is the document that accompanied the

1797
01:07:02,950 --> 01:06:59,839
slides but not the slides themselves

1798
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:02,960
the document is 28 pages long and we

1799
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:07,760
reproduce all 28 pages in in the book

1800
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:09,680
um because it's so

1801
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:10,960
amazing

1802
01:07:15,910 --> 01:07:12,720
that the

1803
01:07:17,829 --> 01:07:15,920
this report goes into detail describing

1804
01:07:19,109 --> 01:07:17,839
uh six cases

1805
01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:19,119
that the

1806
01:07:22,390 --> 01:07:21,200
uh minister of defense or the department

1807
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:22,400
of defense

1808
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:24,559
says is not a they're not explainable as

1809
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:25,920
a matter of fact some of the

1810
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:27,680
the cases there's actually a line in

1811
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:28,960
there that says neither the royal

1812
01:07:34,950 --> 01:07:31,440
canadian mounted police uh nor national

1813
01:07:36,549 --> 01:07:34,960
defense can explain this particular case

1814
01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:36,559
and when you've got cases like that and

1815
01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:38,480
they they you know list them in some

1816
01:07:42,069 --> 01:07:40,400
detail and they do some analysis of some

1817
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:42,079
of the other cases describing the

1818
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:43,680
numbers and so forth

1819
01:07:45,430 --> 01:07:44,640
you know

1820
01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:45,440
the

1821
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:48,319
national defense

1822
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:50,160
and the royal canadian amount of police

1823
01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:52,559
could not explain

1824
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:55,039
a number of the cases and the top six

1825
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:56,480
are actually given

1826
01:08:01,029 --> 01:07:58,960
in this briefing that was given to

1827
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,039
the chief of defense staff and then

1828
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:03,359
parlayed to the minister of defense uh

1829
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:04,559
himself

1830
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:06,000
it's remarkable

1831
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:08,480
um and it's a document that sort of

1832
01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:10,559
negates what the robertson committee in

1833
01:08:12,549 --> 01:08:11,760
the united states

1834
01:08:15,589 --> 01:08:12,559
did

1835
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:15,599
uh about you know a little bit later so

1836
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:18,080
or a little bit earlier so it's an

1837
01:08:23,669 --> 01:08:21,359
amazing set of uh of papers

1838
01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:23,679
amazing well it's it's great that you

1839
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:25,199
you actually

1840
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:26,719
are getting this out there i think

1841
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:27,839
that's a

1842
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:29,920
that is a a great thing

1843
01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:32,080
and you know i mean nothing speaks more

1844
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:34,239
than a government document

1845
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:36,159
especially when it pertains to ufos i

1846
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:38,000
think it's it's a it's really a great

1847
01:08:42,789 --> 01:08:40,640
thing and someone asked earlier and

1848
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:42,799
you know it's all just speculation but

1849
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:44,480
they wanted to know what your opinion

1850
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:45,359
was

1851
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:48,560
of ufos you know what they are and that

1852
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:51,520
was a early question early on and

1853
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:52,880
you know

1854
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:54,080
do you think they're one thing do you

1855
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:57,040
think there are a bunch of things

1856
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:58,159
yeah i think

1857
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:00,640
that it's not a a single problem that

1858
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:02,799
we're dealing with um i mean there's no

1859
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:04,319
question that most of the ufo reports

1860
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:06,560
that people make

1861
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:08,000
are you know they either have

1862
01:09:12,630 --> 01:09:11,040
explanations or uh there's not enough

1863
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:12,640
information for an explanation or

1864
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:15,120
there's possible explanations

1865
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:16,799
in the canadian ufo survey for example

1866
01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:18,239
we have those four categories we've

1867
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:19,520
explained

1868
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:24,560
insufficient information

1869
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:26,799
and they're almost

1870
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:29,759
almost equal numbers um although the the

1871
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:32,400
number of unexplained usually goes down

1872
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:34,719
when you look at uh uh instead of the

1873
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:37,199
overall picture over the years uh down

1874
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:38,960
to every year we only have about one to

1875
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:41,839
five percent that remain unexplained

1876
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:44,560
um even after some uh some ruling out of

1877
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:47,759
some some possible uh

1878
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:50,480
um and and so i i think the ones that

1879
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:53,040
are unexplained don't necessarily mean

1880
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:54,880
aliens from space

1881
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:56,719
uh there's no question that some are

1882
01:10:05,030 --> 01:09:59,040
gonna be military operations in fact we

1883
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:05,040
can uh um go back into some uh files and

1884
01:10:09,189 --> 01:10:07,280
find cases that uh you know had been

1885
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:09,199
unexplained at the time uh with the

1886
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:11,760
revelation of documents describing

1887
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:14,080
some military uh maneuvers and so forth

1888
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:16,640
uh can have explanations so

1889
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:18,640
uh i think it's a constantly evolving

1890
01:10:24,229 --> 01:10:21,840
thing having said that

1891
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:24,239
my background in astronomy uh you know

1892
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:26,880
allows me to confer with my uh my

1893
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:28,480
colleagues

1894
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:29,520
and

1895
01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:32,000
um you know the our son is a pretty

1896
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:35,120
average star and

1897
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:37,679
um there are stars that are much older

1898
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:39,920
and some that are much younger

1899
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:42,239
uh and so we asked the question oh

1900
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:44,880
suppose life evolved on a planet

1901
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:47,520
circling a star that has a bit of a jump

1902
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:48,960
on us

1903
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:51,120
not just a hundred years or a thousand

1904
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:54,159
years maybe ten thousand maybe

1905
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:57,120
a hundred thousand maybe a million years

1906
01:11:02,870 --> 01:10:59,840
uh you know would they be able to you

1907
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:02,880
know figure out ways to uh not break the

1908
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:04,719
laws of physics but perhaps bend the

1909
01:11:08,709 --> 01:11:07,040
laws of physics and and travel between

1910
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:08,719
the stars in ways that we can't even

1911
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:09,760
imagine

1912
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:11,920
uh you know that's certainly possible

1913
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:13,760
don't have any physical evidence any

1914
01:11:18,149 --> 01:11:16,159
physical proof that's that's going on

1915
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:18,159
but at the same time it's it's a

1916
01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:20,800
possibility that can't be ignored in

1917
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:22,719
fact i just saw the the new trailer for

1918
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:24,560
the new avatar movies

1919
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:26,800
um and i didn't know there was one

1920
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:28,480
coming off yeah

1921
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:31,679
there's three or four coming out um

1922
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:35,760
and you know avatar is set on a moon

1923
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:38,719
of a planet that's circling um i think

1924
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:41,120
it's either alpha or beta centauri

1925
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:43,440
and that's the those are the nearest

1926
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:45,120
stars to earth

1927
01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:47,360
and there is some speculation that there

1928
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:50,080
are planets uh circling those stars and

1929
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:51,840
it's certainly possible that there could

1930
01:11:57,030 --> 01:11:54,800
be um an earth-like planet uh

1931
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:57,040
earth-like moon circling those planets

1932
01:12:02,709 --> 01:11:57,760
so

1933
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:02,719
best

1934
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:07,520
for aliens living very close to us

1935
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:10,239
um and whereas the aliens and avatar you

1936
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:12,640
know aren't space faring one really just

1937
01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:15,120
you know needs to think in terms of a

1938
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:16,640
difference of a few hundred thousand

1939
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:18,960
years maybe that they would become space

1940
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:20,000
faring and

1941
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:21,520
uh you know but it puts it in

1942
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:23,360
perspective that you know the nearest

1943
01:12:29,669 --> 01:12:26,480
aliens might be very very close to us um

1944
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:29,679
but uh you know who knows they they uh

1945
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,960
they might be on the other side of the

1946
01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:32,640
galaxy

1947
01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:35,360
i listened to uh i was at a conference

1948
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:37,520
where mark d'antonio was speaking and he

1949
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:40,560
has a theory hemet uh well it's between

1950
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:42,239
him and robert schroeder i don't know if

1951
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:45,120
you've heard of robert schroeder uh his

1952
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:46,640
science background

1953
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:48,480
um so mark

1954
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:50,800
had a talk on basically the possibility

1955
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:54,000
of uh traveling and

1956
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:55,520
god i'm gonna mess this whole thing up

1957
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:57,920
but it was interesting and like you said

1958
01:13:02,310 --> 01:13:00,080
maybe they they ban the laws of physics

1959
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:02,320
maybe they discover something in physics

1960
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:04,480
we haven't yet i don't know how

1961
01:13:08,709 --> 01:13:07,120
um if that's if you know if the

1962
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:08,719
possibility that they're coming from

1963
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:10,320
great distance they would have to do one

1964
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:12,960
or the other i believe

1965
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:13,760
you know

1966
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:16,320
yeah and i mean there's discoveries in

1967
01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:19,760
physics every day in fact yesterday

1968
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:22,000
uh yes i saw that

1969
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:25,120
yeah it's just that cern discovered uh a

1970
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:26,960
penta cork and i guess they actually had

1971
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:28,400
they'd actually found a pentaquark

1972
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:31,840
before but uh this one is uh it's uh

1973
01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:33,840
it's makeup and comfortable too or

1974
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:35,360
something like that there's yeah like

1975
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:36,719
yeah

1976
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:38,239
there's new discoveries being made every

1977
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:39,600
day and you know

1978
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:41,120
maybe who knows

1979
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:42,560
yeah that's right yeah that's pretty

1980
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:44,880
exciting the building blocks

1981
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:47,360
you know how how small do they go that's

1982
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:49,199
really another fascinating the whole

1983
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:52,000
thing of quantum physics and

1984
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:54,159
how things can be interconnected you

1985
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:56,400
know the entanglement and all that is

1986
01:14:02,070 --> 01:13:59,360
just mind-blowing because things they

1987
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:02,080
they shouldn't make sense but they do

1988
01:14:06,390 --> 01:14:04,320
somehow you know and that that may be

1989
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:06,400
all tied into this

1990
01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:10,400
thing too who knows now we share uh some

1991
01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:11,840
great lakes with you

1992
01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:13,920
we all you also have a coastline what

1993
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:17,920
about uso reports in canada

1994
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:19,600
yeah i mean there's there's no question

1995
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:21,360
there are uh

1996
01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:22,640
objects under the water that are

1997
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:25,120
reported in uh in canada as well

1998
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:26,640
um

1999
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:28,640
you know we might as well mention shag

2000
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:29,600
harbor

2001
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:31,840
uh that it's described as canada's

2002
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:35,280
roswell also happened in 1967

2003
01:14:36,690 --> 01:14:36,239
where

2004
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:36,700
um

2005
01:14:40,229 --> 01:14:38,239
[Music]

2006
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:40,239
a number of people uh including some

2007
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:42,640
rcmp officers had seen an object a

2008
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:44,880
bright object flying over the uh over

2009
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:46,239
nova scotia

2010
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:48,480
uh heading for the ocean

2011
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:50,640
and um

2012
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:56,070
the story is that people saw it crash

2013
01:15:01,030 --> 01:14:59,440
into the uh ocean actually no one saw it

2014
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:01,040
crash into the ocean

2015
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:02,480
uh and there's a there's a little

2016
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:04,800
asterisk that i'll mention in a second

2017
01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:06,640
but uh no one saw it they saw it moving

2018
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:08,320
over the uh over the land and then when

2019
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:11,600
the they got to the uh to the shore they

2020
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:13,440
could see this bright object on the

2021
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:15,040
water

2022
01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:16,560
um

2023
01:15:20,229 --> 01:15:19,360
and uh the rcmp

2024
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:20,239
um

2025
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:22,640
commandeered uh some fishing boats this

2026
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:24,800
was like two or three in the morning

2027
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:26,320
and they

2028
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:27,920
got the fishermen to take them out in

2029
01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:29,440
the boat because they thought that the

2030
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:31,120
plane had gone down or some you know

2031
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:32,480
something had crashed into the ocean

2032
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:35,280
they had to get their rescue operation

2033
01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:37,120
by the time the boats actually got out

2034
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:39,040
there

2035
01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:41,040
the light had gone out but what remained

2036
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:44,640
was a glowing greenish yellowish foam

2037
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:46,560
that was on the surface of the of the

2038
01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:48,480
water

2039
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:51,840
but nothing could be found found there

2040
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:53,679
from documents that have been recovered

2041
01:15:56,870 --> 01:15:55,120
and i'm going back to documents because

2042
01:16:00,070 --> 01:15:56,880
we this is something that we can attest

2043
01:16:02,630 --> 01:16:00,080
by the way roswell the new us government

2044
01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:02,640
says nothing happened at roswell

2045
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:04,480
canadian government not only did

2046
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:06,480
something happen at shag harbor there

2047
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:09,600
are documents that recommended that navy

2048
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:11,040
skin divers

2049
01:16:15,110 --> 01:16:13,120
scuba divers go down and and see if they

2050
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:15,120
can retrieve whatever crash down there

2051
01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:18,000
and it was described as a ufo

2052
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:19,280
anyway so they

2053
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:21,760
uh they didn't find anything officially

2054
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:24,000
but there's lots and lots of stories

2055
01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:26,640
that you know i talked with some

2056
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:29,040
uh people on the shore who said that

2057
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:32,080
yeah we saw undercover of darkness the

2058
01:16:35,830 --> 01:16:34,400
scuba divers dragged something

2059
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:35,840
out of the water and loaded onto a

2060
01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:38,560
flatbed truck and carted it away us navy

2061
01:16:42,070 --> 01:16:41,120
by the way had its own base not that far

2062
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:42,080
away

2063
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:44,880
from shag harbor in nova scotia

2064
01:16:47,830 --> 01:16:46,719
um but there's lots of stories to that

2065
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:47,840
effect

2066
01:16:50,550 --> 01:16:49,360
and the asterisk i was going to mention

2067
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:50,560
was that

2068
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:52,480
just

2069
01:16:59,590 --> 01:16:58,159
chris styles who one of canada's

2070
01:17:01,030 --> 01:16:59,600
leading investigators out in the east

2071
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:01,040
coast

2072
01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:03,199
he located um

2073
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:05,440
a woman who said that she was a witness

2074
01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:09,440
to the object uh 50 some years ago and

2075
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:11,280
said that she did see this thing crash

2076
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:12,960
into the water

2077
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:15,440
but that was 50 years ago that she came

2078
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:17,360
forward with the story and

2079
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:18,880
you know

2080
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:20,880
i don't know if i i'm willing to accept

2081
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:22,560
it completely but it's interesting that

2082
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:25,440
we have one witness to something that

2083
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:28,560
that happened uh more than 50 years ago

2084
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:30,960
i didn't realize that no one

2085
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:32,480
i thought

2086
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:37,280
crash possible plane crash that it went

2087
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:40,080
into the water but the only

2088
01:17:44,790 --> 01:17:42,239
thing that they saw was it going over

2089
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:44,800
the water and then the yellow foam

2090
01:17:46,709 --> 01:17:45,840
afterward

2091
01:17:49,990 --> 01:17:46,719
yeah

2092
01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:50,000
i'm going to be up there in shag harbor

2093
01:17:55,030 --> 01:17:52,080
on the first part of october i'm going

2094
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:55,040
to do a talk at the convention up there

2095
01:17:59,110 --> 01:17:56,480
well you're giving a talk at the shag

2096
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:59,120
harbor ufo festival good yeah yeah i'm

2097
01:18:02,229 --> 01:18:00,960
pretty excited are you going to be there

2098
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:02,239
i've been there a couple of times you'll

2099
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:04,800
you'll enjoy your your time well i drove

2100
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:06,480
there from maine and saw the last time

2101
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:08,880
i'll ever do that again because you go

2102
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:11,440
way up and then down i stopped and saw

2103
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:13,440
stan friedman but you know you go way

2104
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:15,120
way up and then

2105
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:17,520
way way down and it right off it's right

2106
01:18:22,950 --> 01:18:20,480
off main just a a very short

2107
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:22,960
you know i by boat it's

2108
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:24,719
by ferry it's very short but i made the

2109
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:27,840
mistake of doing the 16-hour drive to

2110
01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:28,880
get there

2111
01:18:33,189 --> 01:18:31,520
yeah yeah in fact even if you're in nova

2112
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:33,199
scotia a lot of people have heard of

2113
01:18:38,470 --> 01:18:35,520
halifax as the capital of nova scotia

2114
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:38,480
yeah it's a four-hour drive from the

2115
01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:40,880
capital of halifax the nearest place you

2116
01:18:44,870 --> 01:18:42,400
can fly into

2117
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:46,709
yeah it's so fun

2118
01:18:51,590 --> 01:18:49,360
um so there was a i'm not talking about

2119
01:18:53,510 --> 01:18:51,600
falcon lake but there was a there was

2120
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:53,520
another ufo

2121
01:18:59,590 --> 01:18:56,640
that i remember jordan bonaparte did a

2122
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:59,600
show on it on nighttime podcast and it

2123
01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:01,760
was about a mounted police officer

2124
01:19:05,510 --> 01:19:04,000
looking at it through his telescope or

2125
01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:05,520
binoculars

2126
01:19:11,030 --> 01:19:09,520
are you familiar with that one yeah

2127
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:11,040
quite a while

2128
01:19:15,030 --> 01:19:12,480
i think yeah

2129
01:19:18,470 --> 01:19:15,040
that uh that goes back uh a while as

2130
01:19:21,510 --> 01:19:18,480
well um it was a rcmp officer who was on

2131
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:21,520
shore now was it um prince edward island

2132
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:23,520
or was it new brunswick

2133
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:25,679
um

2134
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:26,880
uh

2135
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:29,280
i think it was actually

2136
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:30,400
uh

2137
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:32,080
new brunswick

2138
01:19:36,550 --> 01:19:34,000
my memory's

2139
01:19:38,229 --> 01:19:36,560
patchy right now um

2140
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:38,239
but yeah he had he watched it through

2141
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:40,719
binoculars and uh

2142
01:19:45,669 --> 01:19:42,880
i have to mention the other thing about

2143
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:45,679
the canadian government

2144
01:19:53,910 --> 01:19:51,679
admit that ufos are

2145
01:19:56,229 --> 01:19:53,920
are in its you know

2146
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:56,239
they've been interested in ufos

2147
01:20:00,310 --> 01:19:58,000
uh and that they've investigated where

2148
01:20:02,870 --> 01:20:00,320
there's lots of documentation and and a

2149
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:02,880
lot of agencies have been involved

2150
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:05,280
the royal canadian mint

2151
01:20:08,470 --> 01:20:06,480
um

2152
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:08,480
has actually struck

2153
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:11,520
coins depicting some of the most famous

2154
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:13,920
ufo cases in canada the government of

2155
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:15,520
canada

2156
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:16,960
recognizes

2157
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:21,520
a handful of ufo cases as being of his

2158
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:23,679
significant historical and national

2159
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:25,600
interest that's one of them the one of

2160
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:28,320
this rcmp officer shank harbor is

2161
01:20:31,510 --> 01:20:30,480
another falcon lake which we haven't got

2162
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:31,520
to yet

2163
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:32,480
um

2164
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:36,480
and there's a case in in montreal uh

2165
01:20:39,669 --> 01:20:38,320
that uh that also and these are actually

2166
01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:39,679
silver coins

2167
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:40,480
uh

2168
01:20:44,629 --> 01:20:42,080
legal tender

2169
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:44,639
um and i don't think the us mint has as

2170
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:47,280
commemorated uh ufos

2171
01:20:52,629 --> 01:20:49,679
no not yet but the canadian the canadian

2172
01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:52,639
government excuse me it's uap here uap

2173
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:55,360
okay yes that's right yeah yeah so the

2174
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:56,960
canadian government has done that as

2175
01:21:01,030 --> 01:20:59,040
well and and the this one of the rca pos

2176
01:21:02,229 --> 01:21:01,040
rcmp officer

2177
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:02,239
um

2178
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:03,600
is certainly uh one of the more

2179
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:04,639
interesting ones and the thing about

2180
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:07,600
these coins they glow in the dark

2181
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:08,560
perfect

2182
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:11,120
and yeah they're they're just delightful

2183
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:14,480
radioactive uh james blackwood i believe

2184
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:15,760
let me just see

2185
01:21:18,229 --> 01:21:16,560
uh

2186
01:21:21,590 --> 01:21:18,239
because yeah james blackwood because

2187
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:21,600
he's now known as the raccoon whisperer

2188
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:23,600
do you did you hear about the he was

2189
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:25,040
originally known as the raccoon

2190
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:27,040
whisperer but now yeah

2191
01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:28,800
you can see that on youtube he has all

2192
01:21:32,709 --> 01:21:30,800
these raccoons come to his house and he

2193
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:32,719
feeds them it's a riot

2194
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:35,120
so but he had quite the story that was

2195
01:21:39,669 --> 01:21:37,840
quite a uh traumatic sighting i believe

2196
01:21:42,629 --> 01:21:39,679
for him at the time

2197
01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:42,639
and uh he described it so well i believe

2198
01:21:47,590 --> 01:21:45,520
there was a tail this thing had a tail

2199
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:47,600
it was a strange object if i remember

2200
01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:50,159
right now i haven't i heard jordan's

2201
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:53,120
port podcast probably six years ago so i

2202
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:55,199
don't remember it in detail

2203
01:21:59,990 --> 01:21:56,960
but um

2204
01:22:02,470 --> 01:22:00,000
i have a problem with it oh that

2205
01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:02,480
particular case and the problem i have

2206
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:03,440
is he

2207
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:06,719
watched it through binoculars yeah

2208
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:09,360
and it was very low on the on the

2209
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:11,600
horizon close to the surface of the

2210
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:13,600
ocean

2211
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:16,480
and he washed it for several hours

2212
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:19,760
and when i hear somebody watching a ufo

2213
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:21,440
through binoculars

2214
01:22:27,910 --> 01:22:24,480
for a considerable length of time the

2215
01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:27,920
first thing i think of as a star planet

2216
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:30,480
and he was watching straight east over

2217
01:22:33,669 --> 01:22:32,000
the ocean

2218
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:33,679
and

2219
01:22:39,669 --> 01:22:35,760
the atmospheric distortion over the

2220
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:39,679
ocean is very very significant sure

2221
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:40,880
um

2222
01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:41,760
and

2223
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:43,840
um so i

2224
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:45,600
you know i'm i'm not calling him a liar

2225
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:48,239
there's no question he saw something

2226
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:51,280
i suspect that what he saw has an

2227
01:22:53,590 --> 01:22:52,800
explanation

2228
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:53,600
but

2229
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:55,840
nevertheless it made a profound impact

2230
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:56,880
on him

2231
01:23:00,310 --> 01:22:59,040
um and it occurred at a time when there

2232
01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:00,320
were you know other people who had

2233
01:23:06,310 --> 01:23:02,880
reported seeing some ufos as well so i

2234
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:06,320
you know that i think contributed to um

2235
01:23:10,629 --> 01:23:08,560
his fascination and his determination to

2236
01:23:12,390 --> 01:23:10,639
look at what he was looking at

2237
01:23:15,270 --> 01:23:12,400
um but you know there's like there's

2238
01:23:16,709 --> 01:23:15,280
some red flags there uh

2239
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:16,719
with me

2240
01:23:22,149 --> 01:23:18,960
um if i remember right though he

2241
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:22,159
described in pretty good detail this

2242
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:24,960
this like an object i thought he said

2243
01:23:29,110 --> 01:23:27,120
there were lights on it but maybe i'm

2244
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:29,120
again there's no question there were but

2245
01:23:32,229 --> 01:23:31,040
i mean again he was

2246
01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:32,239
he was

2247
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:33,760
looking at it through binoculars and i

2248
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:35,920
think i asked the question at one point

2249
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:37,600
when was the last time the binoculars

2250
01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:39,120
were collimated

2251
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:41,199
and apparently that was just a set of

2252
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:43,280
binoculars that had been kicking around

2253
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:45,040
and nobody knew when the last time that

2254
01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:47,760
they were adjusted so i as i say there's

2255
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:51,120
i have some some reservations about it

2256
01:23:54,790 --> 01:23:52,880
but um

2257
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:54,800
you know he's a very very good observer

2258
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:56,400
and uh you'd think that he would know

2259
01:23:59,910 --> 01:23:58,400
the difference between stars and planets

2260
01:24:01,750 --> 01:23:59,920
and something else

2261
01:24:04,390 --> 01:24:01,760
well you know there's the

2262
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:04,400
the controversy also about the

2263
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:06,719
ufo the turkey ufo

2264
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:08,560
and you you're familiar with that roger

2265
01:24:12,790 --> 01:24:11,760
lear there yes yeah and that that could

2266
01:24:14,629 --> 01:24:12,800
have been uh

2267
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:14,639
they think could have been a camera

2268
01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:18,080
anomaly supposedly they're used other

2269
01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:20,080
more than just one camera so i'm not

2270
01:24:25,430 --> 01:24:22,960
sure about that and that that is some

2271
01:24:28,149 --> 01:24:25,440
pretty spooky images that came out of

2272
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:28,159
those uh that filming i don't know you

2273
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:31,360
have looked into it so i have and i you

2274
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:33,040
know i i

2275
01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:38,870
i think i'm reading between the lines

2276
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:42,719
but yeah okay that's fine and um yeah um

2277
01:24:46,390 --> 01:24:44,480
i was asked about that on someone else's

2278
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:46,400
show and i i

2279
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:47,520
mentioned that i thought it might have

2280
01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:49,679
been a camera thing but not sure

2281
01:24:54,030 --> 01:24:50,560
um

2282
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:56,629
855-472-5483 bill is standing by so if

2283
01:24:59,590 --> 01:24:58,480
you'd like to call in and ask our guests

2284
01:25:01,990 --> 01:24:59,600
a question

2285
01:25:03,910 --> 01:25:02,000
so what else can we learn about your

2286
01:25:05,830 --> 01:25:03,920
book

2287
01:25:07,750 --> 01:25:05,840
well i mean i do have some information

2288
01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:07,760
there about the falcon lake case and i i

2289
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:09,360
just i know there's probably going to be

2290
01:25:13,590 --> 01:25:11,440
some calls coming in so very quickly

2291
01:25:16,149 --> 01:25:13,600
1967 a fellow was doing some amateur

2292
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:16,159
prospecting he was a bit of a rock hound

2293
01:25:20,790 --> 01:25:18,080
he went into the the forest very very

2294
01:25:23,510 --> 01:25:20,800
rugged kind of area

2295
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:23,520
and he saw for all intents and purposes

2296
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:26,480
a hollywood style flying saucer uh come

2297
01:25:32,149 --> 01:25:29,040
down not far from him

2298
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:32,159
uh he uh you know it's disc shaped dome

2299
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:36,560
on top 35 feet in diameter 12 feet high

2300
01:25:40,149 --> 01:25:38,159
lights coming out of it he went up and

2301
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:40,159
touched the side of it his rubberized

2302
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:41,440
glove melted

2303
01:25:45,750 --> 01:25:43,440
when this thing took off a blast of hot

2304
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:45,760
gas hit him in the chest knock setting

2305
01:25:49,270 --> 01:25:47,600
his clothes on fire setting fire to pine

2306
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:49,280
needles

2307
01:25:53,430 --> 01:25:50,880
he eventually made it to a hospital

2308
01:25:55,510 --> 01:25:53,440
where he was treated for burns

2309
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:55,520
radiation was found at the site

2310
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:57,120
and the royal canadian mounted police

2311
01:26:02,070 --> 01:25:58,639
and the royal canadian air force

2312
01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:02,080
investigated and in the opinion of the

2313
01:26:05,669 --> 01:26:03,840
investigators they had no explanation

2314
01:26:08,709 --> 01:26:05,679
for what was found

2315
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:08,719
and um the united states air force in

2316
01:26:12,070 --> 01:26:10,080
terms of the continent

2317
01:26:13,510 --> 01:26:12,080
committee came up investigated and they

2318
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:13,520
decided it wasn't a very good case

2319
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:14,800
whereas the royal canadian mounted

2320
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:18,400
police and the air force had spent many

2321
01:26:22,709 --> 01:26:20,800
many hours investigating and looking

2322
01:26:25,030 --> 01:26:22,719
at the site and looking at the evidence

2323
01:26:26,950 --> 01:26:25,040
decided it could not be explained but i

2324
01:26:28,229 --> 01:26:26,960
have much of those documents in the book

2325
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:28,239
too

2326
01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:29,120
and

2327
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:31,360
the those burns were pretty

2328
01:26:36,790 --> 01:26:35,280
that he had on him like uh grill type

2329
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:36,800
they're they're pretty

2330
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:38,400
pretty bad he was in the hospital for a

2331
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:41,920
while did he recover fully from that

2332
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:42,719
well

2333
01:26:48,149 --> 01:26:43,520
he

2334
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:48,159
recovery at home but his burns took

2335
01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:51,280
quite some time to to fade uh in fact

2336
01:26:54,390 --> 01:26:52,800
the burns

2337
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:54,400
on his lower chest that were kind of in

2338
01:26:57,910 --> 01:26:56,719
this this checkerboard pattern

2339
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:57,920
um

2340
01:27:03,189 --> 01:27:01,040
the the scar tissue was was you know it

2341
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:03,199
was always underneath his uh his skin

2342
01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:05,040
you could always feel those uh he called

2343
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:06,880
them as buttons actually

2344
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:08,560
uh because you could you could feel them

2345
01:27:12,870 --> 01:27:10,800
like buttons under his skin

2346
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:12,880
um and you know there's no question that

2347
01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:14,880
he was physically injured and we have

2348
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:16,960
the medical records we have the records

2349
01:27:22,470 --> 01:27:18,960
from the rcmp in the royal canadian air

2350
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:22,480
force we have records um from officials

2351
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:24,239
uh this was a very intensely

2352
01:27:28,709 --> 01:27:26,560
investigated case probably more better

2353
01:27:31,510 --> 01:27:28,719
documented than roswell

2354
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:31,520
wow and so they did they came up they

2355
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:33,520
didn't come up with anything basically

2356
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:35,600
that's the bottom line the the statement

2357
01:27:41,430 --> 01:27:37,520
actually on record is that they did not

2358
01:27:43,990 --> 01:27:41,440
have a satisfactory explanation

2359
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:44,000
oh and did he talk about this afterwards

2360
01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:45,360
or

2361
01:27:53,430 --> 01:27:50,560
he want to talk about it um

2362
01:27:54,790 --> 01:27:53,440
he he thought that he actually went to

2363
01:27:56,470 --> 01:27:54,800
the press because he thought that there

2364
01:27:58,629 --> 01:27:56,480
was a danger to the public he thought

2365
01:27:59,910 --> 01:27:58,639
this was some sort of american

2366
01:28:01,189 --> 01:27:59,920
like this is just the beginning of

2367
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:01,199
apollo so he thought this was an

2368
01:28:06,470 --> 01:28:04,320
american test of a flying vehicle

2369
01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:06,480
um and it was you know that that it was

2370
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:08,080
dangerous to try and be out in the woods

2371
01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:09,600
if these things are gonna be flying

2372
01:28:14,149 --> 01:28:10,639
around

2373
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:14,159
um and um then when there was such a

2374
01:28:18,310 --> 01:28:16,080
tremendous interest in this

2375
01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:18,320
um that uh they were the family was

2376
01:28:22,790 --> 01:28:19,840
bothered day and night

2377
01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:22,800
uh people camped out on their doorstep

2378
01:28:26,950 --> 01:28:24,159
um

2379
01:28:29,189 --> 01:28:26,960
and uh he eventually just said enough is

2380
01:28:33,030 --> 01:28:29,199
enough and the family stopped talking

2381
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:33,040
about it and only because i happened to

2382
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:36,000
know uh the family myself

2383
01:28:40,229 --> 01:28:37,920
that um that they

2384
01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:40,239
agreed to talk with me and i opened the

2385
01:28:45,669 --> 01:28:43,760
case myself in the 1970s again

2386
01:28:47,350 --> 01:28:45,679
to reinvestigate and we have all this

2387
01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:47,360
documentation and

2388
01:28:51,430 --> 01:28:49,199
three or four hundred pages separate

2389
01:28:53,830 --> 01:28:51,440
pages of documentation about this

2390
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:53,840
particular case

2391
01:28:59,030 --> 01:28:57,120
wow and so yeah it it's it's one of the

2392
01:29:01,669 --> 01:28:59,040
ones that always seems to come up you

2393
01:29:04,390 --> 01:29:01,679
know when when anyone talks about

2394
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:04,400
um you know the like major ufo sightings

2395
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:06,320
in in canada

2396
01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:07,679
water anywhere

2397
01:29:09,750 --> 01:29:08,880
i would oh yeah

2398
01:29:11,189 --> 01:29:09,760
you're

2399
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:11,199
i would challenge you to find another

2400
01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:12,320
case that

2401
01:29:16,149 --> 01:29:14,000
has three or four pages of government

2402
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:16,159
documents documenting the case

2403
01:29:20,950 --> 01:29:18,480
physical injury to the to the witness

2404
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:20,960
witness available to to talk to the

2405
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:23,440
media the site is accessible

2406
01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:25,920
physical evidence found radioactive

2407
01:29:30,070 --> 01:29:28,000
material found at the site

2408
01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:30,080
you name it you give me a another case

2409
01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:32,960
that's that's documented like that

2410
01:29:36,550 --> 01:29:34,800
and what was the act what was the

2411
01:29:39,189 --> 01:29:36,560
radioactivity

2412
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:39,199
level was it was it a very high level

2413
01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:41,280
unusually high matter of fact and we

2414
01:29:46,229 --> 01:29:43,440
have the documentation of this that the

2415
01:29:48,070 --> 01:29:46,239
radiation was so high that the the part

2416
01:29:50,709 --> 01:29:48,080
that the government considered closing

2417
01:29:52,229 --> 01:29:50,719
the area to the public

2418
01:29:58,390 --> 01:29:52,239
wow

2419
01:30:01,590 --> 01:29:59,430
right

2420
01:30:04,790 --> 01:30:01,600
can you remind me the year please and

2421
01:30:08,229 --> 01:30:04,800
what this was 1967.

2422
01:30:10,070 --> 01:30:08,239
was that 57 of the five or 67 six 67

2423
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:10,080
1967

2424
01:30:13,350 --> 01:30:12,000
okay because i was just trying to think

2425
01:30:15,189 --> 01:30:13,360
um

2426
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:15,199
the only other one you hear about like

2427
01:30:18,790 --> 01:30:16,320
burns

2428
01:30:21,110 --> 01:30:18,800
you know a known sighting is the cash

2429
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:21,120
landrum case like that you know in the

2430
01:30:24,470 --> 01:30:22,639
united states and you know there is

2431
01:30:28,229 --> 01:30:24,480
speculation that that would have been

2432
01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:28,239
some type of an experimental uh vehicle

2433
01:30:30,790 --> 01:30:29,840
but in this case

2434
01:30:31,750 --> 01:30:30,800
yeah

2435
01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:31,760
and

2436
01:30:37,030 --> 01:30:34,000
was that ever something that was ever

2437
01:30:38,629 --> 01:30:37,040
thought of in this particular case

2438
01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:38,639
you know that was some time after that

2439
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:41,040
but um yeah their parallels have been

2440
01:30:45,669 --> 01:30:43,440
have been mentioned but as in terms of

2441
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:45,679
government documentation

2442
01:30:48,709 --> 01:30:47,040
uh you know

2443
01:30:49,830 --> 01:30:48,719
up until the point where

2444
01:30:51,590 --> 01:30:49,840
um

2445
01:30:53,830 --> 01:30:51,600
betty and uh

2446
01:30:56,470 --> 01:30:53,840
and her her friend you know

2447
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:56,480
you know tried to get uh legal documents

2448
01:30:59,430 --> 01:30:58,159
uh regarding uh

2449
01:31:01,590 --> 01:30:59,440
what had happened

2450
01:31:04,390 --> 01:31:01,600
it uh the government documentation is

2451
01:31:06,629 --> 01:31:04,400
certainly nowhere near as significant

2452
01:31:08,229 --> 01:31:06,639
wow so again the lines are open i'm

2453
01:31:11,590 --> 01:31:08,239
surprised there's no calls and that

2454
01:31:14,149 --> 01:31:11,600
number is 855-472-5483

2455
01:31:15,590 --> 01:31:14,159
feel free to call in with your questions

2456
01:31:17,990 --> 01:31:15,600
and i just want to see if there's

2457
01:31:20,390 --> 01:31:18,000
anything else here in the in the chat

2458
01:31:23,910 --> 01:31:20,400
what are some of the one other ones you

2459
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:27,110
well um

2460
01:31:31,510 --> 01:31:29,430
i also talk about the largest piece of

2461
01:31:34,229 --> 01:31:31,520
ufo ever found

2462
01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:34,239
oh boy i'm excited to hear about that

2463
01:31:38,310 --> 01:31:35,520
yeah well you know there's this big

2464
01:31:40,790 --> 01:31:38,320
interest right now in metamaterials and

2465
01:31:42,870 --> 01:31:40,800
you know the pieces of ufo and uh

2466
01:31:44,629 --> 01:31:42,880
there's you know there's a big debate as

2467
01:31:47,430 --> 01:31:44,639
to you know where these things come from

2468
01:31:49,830 --> 01:31:47,440
most of the pieces are are fairly tiny

2469
01:31:52,390 --> 01:31:49,840
yeah the one that people mostly see on

2470
01:31:53,510 --> 01:31:52,400
photos uh is a layered thing about that

2471
01:31:54,310 --> 01:31:53,520
big

2472
01:31:57,110 --> 01:31:54,320
um

2473
01:31:58,950 --> 01:31:57,120
was

2474
01:32:00,790 --> 01:31:58,960
created using a technique that didn't

2475
01:32:02,229 --> 01:32:00,800
exist at the time it was found or

2476
01:32:04,790 --> 01:32:02,239
something like that you may hear

2477
01:32:05,990 --> 01:32:04,800
discussion about the ubertuba fragment

2478
01:32:08,550 --> 01:32:06,000
um

2479
01:32:10,229 --> 01:32:08,560
which the the history of that

2480
01:32:13,030 --> 01:32:10,239
is such as doesn't seem to be actually

2481
01:32:15,910 --> 01:32:13,040
connected with any ufo case it there was

2482
01:32:17,189 --> 01:32:15,920
an anonymous letter that was sent uh

2483
01:32:18,950 --> 01:32:17,199
that that

2484
01:32:22,229 --> 01:32:18,960
that was received that supposedly talked

2485
01:32:23,590 --> 01:32:22,239
about it um so you know to connect to to

2486
01:32:27,110 --> 01:32:23,600
say that that's proof that i was

2487
01:32:28,629 --> 01:32:27,120
recovered from a ufo is kind of dubious

2488
01:32:31,270 --> 01:32:28,639
so there's a lot of the stuff that you

2489
01:32:34,070 --> 01:32:31,280
know of cases that seem to be

2490
01:32:36,709 --> 01:32:34,080
uh of you know questionable origin but

2491
01:32:38,390 --> 01:32:36,719
you know supposedly come from a ufo

2492
01:32:41,750 --> 01:32:38,400
well

2493
01:32:42,950 --> 01:32:41,760
um back in the early 1960s a large piece

2494
01:32:45,189 --> 01:32:42,960
of metal

2495
01:32:45,990 --> 01:32:45,199
was found um

2496
01:32:48,070 --> 01:32:46,000
uh

2497
01:32:50,390 --> 01:32:48,080
yeah on the just on the shore of the

2498
01:32:51,270 --> 01:32:50,400
ottawa river in canada

2499
01:32:53,669 --> 01:32:51,280
and

2500
01:32:56,709 --> 01:32:53,679
the suggestion was that it came from a

2501
01:33:00,390 --> 01:32:56,719
ufo a crashed ufo

2502
01:33:02,390 --> 01:33:00,400
it was a ton of metal

2503
01:33:06,830 --> 01:33:02,400
and i'm just just not just using

2504
01:33:10,390 --> 01:33:06,840
hyperbole it was a ton of metal

2505
01:33:12,470 --> 01:33:10,400
um and um

2506
01:33:13,990 --> 01:33:12,480
uh this chunk of metal was very it was

2507
01:33:16,709 --> 01:33:14,000
difficult to move

2508
01:33:18,790 --> 01:33:16,719
um in fact it was part of a there was a

2509
01:33:21,590 --> 01:33:18,800
actually uh

2510
01:33:24,550 --> 01:33:21,600
a chunk of it um that was actually sent

2511
01:33:27,189 --> 01:33:24,560
to a foundry to to melt down

2512
01:33:30,470 --> 01:33:27,199
um but a large a significant large piece

2513
01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:30,480
the size of a i don't know the size of a

2514
01:33:35,590 --> 01:33:33,040
of a washing machine

2515
01:33:37,669 --> 01:33:35,600
uh was uh was taken and studied and it

2516
01:33:40,629 --> 01:33:37,679
was analyzed by a number of

2517
01:33:43,110 --> 01:33:40,639
metallurgists uh was studied by a

2518
01:33:45,669 --> 01:33:43,120
chemical laboratory in canada and was

2519
01:33:47,990 --> 01:33:45,679
promoted by a number of ufo groups and

2520
01:33:49,350 --> 01:33:48,000
organizations at the time as being a a

2521
01:33:50,790 --> 01:33:49,360
piece of a

2522
01:33:53,510 --> 01:33:50,800
of a ufo

2523
01:33:55,669 --> 01:33:53,520
and uh pieces of that particular thing

2524
01:33:58,550 --> 01:33:55,679
the original giant chunk

2525
01:34:01,350 --> 01:33:58,560
um has has been lost if you can just

2526
01:34:02,310 --> 01:34:01,360
imagine losing a piece of ufo um that

2527
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:02,320
big

2528
01:34:07,830 --> 01:34:04,800
but little small pieces size of the meta

2529
01:34:09,910 --> 01:34:07,840
materials these days um exist in another

2530
01:34:11,830 --> 01:34:09,920
university's archives

2531
01:34:14,550 --> 01:34:11,840
and are awaiting testing

2532
01:34:15,430 --> 01:34:14,560
uh and i document uh you know the story

2533
01:34:17,350 --> 01:34:15,440
of that

2534
01:34:19,030 --> 01:34:17,360
that piece was actually

2535
01:34:20,629 --> 01:34:19,040
examined by

2536
01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:20,639
um

2537
01:34:26,310 --> 01:34:24,000
by roy craig from uh

2538
01:34:28,070 --> 01:34:26,320
from project uh or from the condon

2539
01:34:29,430 --> 01:34:28,080
committee he wasn't all that impressed

2540
01:34:31,510 --> 01:34:29,440
with it

2541
01:34:34,310 --> 01:34:31,520
but a lot of other people involved in

2542
01:34:36,229 --> 01:34:34,320
ufology at the time in the 60s

2543
01:34:38,149 --> 01:34:36,239
were bound to determine that this was a

2544
01:34:40,790 --> 01:34:38,159
really good case

2545
01:34:43,590 --> 01:34:40,800
wow we have we have a call

2546
01:34:44,709 --> 01:34:43,600
let me get this ready here

2547
01:34:47,350 --> 01:34:44,719
we have

2548
01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:47,360
kevin in florida kevin you're on the air

2549
01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:50,159
welcome to the show

2550
01:34:55,430 --> 01:34:52,560
great to be on uh

2551
01:34:57,510 --> 01:34:55,440
i'm getting an echo in here

2552
01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:57,520
oh try to try to ignore the echo we'll

2553
01:35:02,229 --> 01:34:59,280
try we'll try to fix the echo for the

2554
01:35:05,270 --> 01:35:02,239
next caller but go ahead and try to

2555
01:35:10,310 --> 01:35:06,950
opinion on

2556
01:35:11,669 --> 01:35:10,320
uh mr heller the former defense minister

2557
01:35:13,510 --> 01:35:11,679
of canada

2558
01:35:15,590 --> 01:35:13,520
paul hillier yeah

2559
01:35:16,390 --> 01:35:15,600
my opinion

2560
01:35:18,149 --> 01:35:16,400
yeah

2561
01:35:19,590 --> 01:35:18,159
he had a number of revelations about

2562
01:35:21,430 --> 01:35:19,600
europeans

2563
01:35:24,870 --> 01:35:21,440
yeah um i

2564
01:35:29,990 --> 01:35:28,149
i have my concerns about paul hellyer um

2565
01:35:31,910 --> 01:35:30,000
at the time that

2566
01:35:34,149 --> 01:35:31,920
uh

2567
01:35:35,990 --> 01:35:34,159
he was defense minister

2568
01:35:38,229 --> 01:35:36,000
which was up until the early part of

2569
01:35:39,910 --> 01:35:38,239
1967

2570
01:35:42,870 --> 01:35:39,920
he had said that

2571
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:42,880
no ufo cases of interest uh ever crossed

2572
01:35:45,430 --> 01:35:44,159
his desk and he wasn't all that

2573
01:35:47,350 --> 01:35:45,440
interested

2574
01:35:50,390 --> 01:35:47,360
so it was a little surprising that that

2575
01:35:52,070 --> 01:35:50,400
in early 2000s he

2576
01:35:55,510 --> 01:35:52,080
came forward with uh

2577
01:35:57,350 --> 01:35:55,520
with a story that he had been given

2578
01:35:59,109 --> 01:35:57,360
information by a person that by a source

2579
01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:59,119
that he never did name

2580
01:36:02,709 --> 01:36:00,960
um within the military who assured him

2581
01:36:04,470 --> 01:36:02,719
that a lot of the ufo stories were true

2582
01:36:06,149 --> 01:36:04,480
and that the aliens were in contact with

2583
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:06,159
uh with military

2584
01:36:12,390 --> 01:36:08,880
uh people in uh uh you know around the

2585
01:36:14,310 --> 01:36:12,400
world um

2586
01:36:15,750 --> 01:36:14,320
he had lost his

2587
01:36:18,629 --> 01:36:15,760
um

2588
01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:18,639
uh his access his uh his high level

2589
01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:21,840
access to uh to information when he uh

2590
01:36:25,590 --> 01:36:24,800
ceased being minister of defense uh so

2591
01:36:29,910 --> 01:36:25,600
for

2592
01:36:31,669 --> 01:36:29,920
about uh

2593
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:31,679
about ufos or what was really being done

2594
01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:34,560
in the military regarding the ufos so

2595
01:36:39,430 --> 01:36:36,960
i find his stories a little hard to

2596
01:36:41,030 --> 01:36:39,440
believe uh but a lot of people put a lot

2597
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:41,040
of faith in him although the times that

2598
01:36:46,310 --> 01:36:42,800
i met him and talked with him

2599
01:36:49,270 --> 01:36:46,320
um i just had a lot of red flags

2600
01:36:52,390 --> 01:36:49,280
any anything else kevin

2601
01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:52,400
well as far as the radiation in a ufo

2602
01:36:57,189 --> 01:36:55,280
report there was a case in texas where a

2603
01:36:59,590 --> 01:36:57,199
couple in a car

2604
01:37:01,510 --> 01:36:59,600
were burned by radiation

2605
01:37:03,669 --> 01:37:01,520
seems to have an analogy to the incident

2606
01:37:07,430 --> 01:37:03,679
in canada yeah that's the cash landrum

2607
01:37:09,430 --> 01:37:07,440
case we're just talking about that one

2608
01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:09,440
yes didn't betty and barney hill have

2609
01:37:12,950 --> 01:37:11,600
radiation as well

2610
01:37:15,510 --> 01:37:12,960
no i don't think betty and barney hill

2611
01:37:17,669 --> 01:37:15,520
had radiation no well the the trunk of

2612
01:37:19,510 --> 01:37:17,679
the lid trunk of their car supposedly

2613
01:37:21,510 --> 01:37:19,520
had something going on but i'm not sure

2614
01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:21,520
if it was radiation i think it was some

2615
01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:23,760
a magnetic field yeah magnetic sort of

2616
01:37:28,310 --> 01:37:25,840
was yes yeah yeah

2617
01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:28,320
i remember that compass spun around

2618
01:37:30,310 --> 01:37:29,360
around yeah

2619
01:37:32,790 --> 01:37:30,320
yeah

2620
01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:32,800
well thank you for the call kevin

2621
01:37:38,470 --> 01:37:36,239
okay great all right so the line is open

2622
01:37:39,270 --> 01:37:38,480
and again that number is eight five five

2623
01:37:43,669 --> 01:37:39,280
four

2624
01:37:47,189 --> 01:37:43,679
yeah i mean those ones that where

2625
01:37:49,030 --> 01:37:47,199
they're they're burns and things and

2626
01:37:49,910 --> 01:37:49,040
boy they're kind of scary there's a

2627
01:37:52,870 --> 01:37:49,920
there's

2628
01:37:54,709 --> 01:37:52,880
no not a tremendous amount of of them

2629
01:37:56,149 --> 01:37:54,719
but there are some

2630
01:37:57,510 --> 01:37:56,159
yeah they're few and far between the

2631
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:57,520
others i'm just going to make to another

2632
01:38:02,709 --> 01:38:00,400
point about uh paul hellyer um he also

2633
01:38:04,790 --> 01:38:02,719
said that you know as i said he he said

2634
01:38:06,950 --> 01:38:04,800
that when he was in office as minister

2635
01:38:08,470 --> 01:38:06,960
of defense he never you know was all

2636
01:38:10,390 --> 01:38:08,480
that interested in ufos and didn't see

2637
01:38:11,830 --> 01:38:10,400
anything that that was of interest

2638
01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:11,840
however

2639
01:38:14,310 --> 01:38:13,199
actually i think i have it in my book as

2640
01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:14,320
a matter of fact

2641
01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:15,600
um

2642
01:38:19,750 --> 01:38:18,560
in uh in 1967 while he was still in

2643
01:38:22,870 --> 01:38:19,760
office

2644
01:38:26,270 --> 01:38:22,880
um there was a

2645
01:38:30,629 --> 01:38:26,280
uh crop circle report

2646
01:38:32,950 --> 01:38:30,639
1967 we beat england by a long shot

2647
01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:32,960
and it was actually investigated

2648
01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:36,000
by the ministry of national defense so

2649
01:38:39,669 --> 01:38:38,400
so they brought canadian air force

2650
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:39,679
and the royal canadian mounted police

2651
01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:41,760
were involved as well

2652
01:38:47,669 --> 01:38:45,199
and i have we found the actual report

2653
01:38:49,750 --> 01:38:47,679
from the minister from the uh department

2654
01:38:51,109 --> 01:38:49,760
of national defense on an investigation

2655
01:38:53,510 --> 01:38:51,119
of a crop circle

2656
01:38:54,790 --> 01:38:53,520
in canada in 1967.

2657
01:39:00,390 --> 01:38:54,800
um

2658
01:39:02,550 --> 01:39:00,400
the military here you go

2659
01:39:05,350 --> 01:39:02,560
and what's interesting is that

2660
01:39:07,270 --> 01:39:05,360
there's also a document on file

2661
01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:07,280
that says there was a ministerial

2662
01:39:11,990 --> 01:39:09,840
inquiry

2663
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:12,000
requested about this particular case

2664
01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:14,560
about the crop circle in in canada and

2665
01:39:18,070 --> 01:39:16,400
at the time the minister was paul

2666
01:39:20,229 --> 01:39:18,080
hellyer

2667
01:39:22,550 --> 01:39:20,239
so how could he not

2668
01:39:25,350 --> 01:39:22,560
have any interesting cases in ufos and

2669
01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:25,360
have no comment on ufos

2670
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:27,280
while he was in office

2671
01:39:31,350 --> 01:39:29,520
when we know for a fact that he actually

2672
01:39:33,189 --> 01:39:31,360
ordered a ministerial inquiry into the

2673
01:39:35,669 --> 01:39:33,199
crop circle ufo that was connected to

2674
01:39:38,310 --> 01:39:35,679
ufos do you think you just do you think

2675
01:39:41,030 --> 01:39:38,320
he just was keeping it quiet or

2676
01:39:43,910 --> 01:39:41,040
i mean it would be strange to keep it

2677
01:39:46,229 --> 01:39:43,920
quiet because it's on the public record

2678
01:39:48,070 --> 01:39:46,239
we have these documents that prove this

2679
01:39:49,669 --> 01:39:48,080
and these are part of the documents that

2680
01:39:51,590 --> 01:39:49,679
are part of the librarian archives

2681
01:39:52,950 --> 01:39:51,600
canada collection that are digitally

2682
01:39:55,830 --> 01:39:52,960
available

2683
01:39:59,270 --> 01:39:55,840
oh wow now would you say that canada is

2684
01:40:04,390 --> 01:39:59,280
a little more loose with classifying

2685
01:40:07,750 --> 01:40:06,070
um

2686
01:40:09,270 --> 01:40:07,760
loose well i mean there's no question

2687
01:40:11,109 --> 01:40:09,280
there's there's probably a lot of

2688
01:40:13,910 --> 01:40:11,119
documents that we don't have access to

2689
01:40:16,229 --> 01:40:13,920
and and uh i know that over the past 20

2690
01:40:19,189 --> 01:40:16,239
or 30 years more have been released uh

2691
01:40:21,430 --> 01:40:19,199
slowly per uh some uh some access to

2692
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:21,440
information requests in fact access

2693
01:40:25,189 --> 01:40:23,760
information requests are are uh are

2694
01:40:26,709 --> 01:40:25,199
being undertaken all the time and that's

2695
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:26,719
how we found out about this briefing for

2696
01:40:30,470 --> 01:40:28,560
the the current minister then the

2697
01:40:31,669 --> 01:40:30,480
current minister of defense

2698
01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:31,679
um

2699
01:40:37,270 --> 01:40:34,320
so things are being classified

2700
01:40:38,950 --> 01:40:37,280
but uh with requests the restrictions

2701
01:40:41,189 --> 01:40:38,960
are being released

2702
01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:41,199
and more and more information is coming

2703
01:40:46,950 --> 01:40:44,560
forward um i mentioned that um

2704
01:40:49,030 --> 01:40:46,960
in this briefing somebody had filed an

2705
01:40:51,430 --> 01:40:49,040
access information request to this

2706
01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:51,440
minister of defense and they found you

2707
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:53,920
know this comment that chris rakowski

2708
01:40:59,109 --> 01:40:56,560
was the one receiving the ufo reports

2709
01:41:02,070 --> 01:40:59,119
um there was a little blank spot on that

2710
01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:02,080
particular slide and so somebody else

2711
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:04,719
filed an access to information request

2712
01:41:08,390 --> 01:41:06,480
to find out what was in that blank spot

2713
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:08,400
that had been deleted out of the that

2714
01:41:11,590 --> 01:41:10,080
particular slide

2715
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:11,600
and then the second

2716
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:14,560
accessed information request um they got

2717
01:41:18,550 --> 01:41:16,639
through the classification to find out

2718
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:18,560
that it was a picture of me

2719
01:41:21,510 --> 01:41:19,679
oh

2720
01:41:23,109 --> 01:41:21,520
wow

2721
01:41:24,550 --> 01:41:23,119
how about that

2722
01:41:26,950 --> 01:41:24,560
so the

2723
01:41:29,830 --> 01:41:26,960
access information

2724
01:41:31,750 --> 01:41:29,840
when you file for that as

2725
01:41:33,669 --> 01:41:31,760
can anyone file do you have to be a

2726
01:41:35,430 --> 01:41:33,679
canadian citizen because i believe you

2727
01:41:37,590 --> 01:41:35,440
talked about paul dean who lives in

2728
01:41:39,990 --> 01:41:37,600
australia and he's been getting four

2729
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:40,000
years from the united states

2730
01:41:45,510 --> 01:41:42,960
yeah i think i think that anyone can

2731
01:41:48,229 --> 01:41:45,520
file from any any country

2732
01:41:50,229 --> 01:41:48,239
i think there are restrictions on some

2733
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:50,239
documents that you have to be a canadian

2734
01:41:55,350 --> 01:41:52,400
citizen to file for some of them

2735
01:41:59,590 --> 01:41:55,360
but i don't know which ones

2736
01:42:01,910 --> 01:41:59,600
and is it as much of a job as it is for

2737
01:42:04,550 --> 01:42:01,920
for freedom of information act as far as

2738
01:42:06,390 --> 01:42:04,560
the forms to fill out in the accuracy

2739
01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:06,400
and all that

2740
01:42:10,070 --> 01:42:09,199
yeah you have to be very very specific

2741
01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:10,080
um

2742
01:42:15,669 --> 01:42:12,320
there is when i was going through

2743
01:42:17,750 --> 01:42:15,679
uh sort of just like the foias

2744
01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:17,760
the atis

2745
01:42:21,910 --> 01:42:20,400
there's a list of successful and

2746
01:42:24,790 --> 01:42:21,920
unsuccessful

2747
01:42:25,830 --> 01:42:24,800
requests that you can look up

2748
01:42:28,310 --> 01:42:25,840
and

2749
01:42:30,229 --> 01:42:28,320
um there was one request i i saw there

2750
01:42:31,750 --> 01:42:30,239
was a request for

2751
01:42:34,229 --> 01:42:31,760
all the

2752
01:42:36,870 --> 01:42:34,239
documents relating to ufos

2753
01:42:37,830 --> 01:42:36,880
uh in a particular government department

2754
01:42:40,950 --> 01:42:37,840
and

2755
01:42:43,830 --> 01:42:40,960
uh they found zero documents

2756
01:42:45,430 --> 01:42:43,840
uh on this particular one anyways and i

2757
01:42:47,830 --> 01:42:45,440
was looking at i'm thinking i actually

2758
01:42:50,550 --> 01:42:47,840
have documents from this particular

2759
01:42:53,510 --> 01:42:50,560
department about ufos so

2760
01:42:55,750 --> 01:42:53,520
they obviously worded it wrong somehow

2761
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:55,760
because i've seen others where they do

2762
01:42:59,830 --> 01:42:57,520
you know they say all documents all

2763
01:43:02,070 --> 01:42:59,840
correspondence all memos all interviews

2764
01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:02,080
all you know and you have to list all

2765
01:43:04,390 --> 01:43:03,360
the different departments so it could

2766
01:43:06,790 --> 01:43:04,400
have been

2767
01:43:08,390 --> 01:43:06,800
you know they they just missed the the

2768
01:43:10,149 --> 01:43:08,400
right wording and that's what john

2769
01:43:12,070 --> 01:43:10,159
greenwald goes through all the time you

2770
01:43:14,550 --> 01:43:12,080
know he finds out that he has to go

2771
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:14,560
through specific wording and you have to

2772
01:43:18,550 --> 01:43:16,639
parse it exactly and the semantics

2773
01:43:20,470 --> 01:43:18,560
really does matter

2774
01:43:22,229 --> 01:43:20,480
i know he's been doing it for so many

2775
01:43:24,790 --> 01:43:22,239
years it's it's

2776
01:43:25,590 --> 01:43:24,800
it's quite quite amazing

2777
01:43:28,550 --> 01:43:25,600
uh

2778
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:28,560
they probably say oh it's him again

2779
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:30,960
he thinks they do i think yeah tens of

2780
01:43:35,189 --> 01:43:33,520
thousands of documents you know from him

2781
01:43:37,350 --> 01:43:35,199
what a great job he's done

2782
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:37,360
under that you know the whole uh the

2783
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:39,440
whole thing getting that information

2784
01:43:44,310 --> 01:43:42,560
out there and uh his website is

2785
01:43:47,669 --> 01:43:44,320
i mean how many people go on there a day

2786
01:43:50,310 --> 01:43:47,679
it's crazy so good for him for doing

2787
01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:50,320
that and what about your blog site

2788
01:43:53,990 --> 01:43:52,000
what's how do you how do people i think

2789
01:43:57,470 --> 01:43:54,000
i have that linked in your show and your

2790
01:44:00,470 --> 01:43:57,480
yeah my blog is uh

2791
01:44:01,910 --> 01:44:00,480
youforum.blogspot.com uforum

2792
01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:01,920
um

2793
01:44:08,790 --> 01:44:07,440
i've had that going for many many years

2794
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:08,800
and i take

2795
01:44:13,830 --> 01:44:11,440
the opportunity to not not just comment

2796
01:44:15,669 --> 01:44:13,840
on current ufology but i publish

2797
01:44:17,430 --> 01:44:15,679
documents on it

2798
01:44:19,750 --> 01:44:17,440
so that if people want to see some

2799
01:44:20,629 --> 01:44:19,760
interesting stories

2800
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:20,639
i

2801
01:44:28,070 --> 01:44:26,560
um

2802
01:44:30,149 --> 01:44:28,080
and some of them are are quite

2803
01:44:32,229 --> 01:44:30,159
fascinating uh

2804
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:32,239
to to read

2805
01:44:37,590 --> 01:44:35,280
and you know i i also have things like

2806
01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:37,600
the top 10 most interesting canadian ufo

2807
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:38,880
cases the top

2808
01:44:44,390 --> 01:44:42,239
um 10 most unexplained ufo cases and

2809
01:44:47,350 --> 01:44:44,400
then cases from across

2810
01:44:49,270 --> 01:44:47,360
the the country places to visit for

2811
01:44:51,030 --> 01:44:49,280
uh for holidays you know you're going to

2812
01:44:52,709 --> 01:44:51,040
be coming up to canada

2813
01:44:54,790 --> 01:44:52,719
uh in october

2814
01:44:57,830 --> 01:44:54,800
um you know they're at in shag harbor

2815
01:45:00,070 --> 01:44:57,840
there's a the ufo in there

2816
01:45:02,470 --> 01:45:00,080
there's places right across the country

2817
01:45:05,109 --> 01:45:02,480
that you can visit there's a ufo landing

2818
01:45:08,390 --> 01:45:05,119
pad in saint paul alberta without you

2819
01:45:09,270 --> 01:45:08,400
right with the ufo museum that's right

2820
01:45:11,030 --> 01:45:09,280
yeah

2821
01:45:13,510 --> 01:45:11,040
uh there's no one's ever landed there

2822
01:45:15,189 --> 01:45:13,520
yet though no they haven't darn it darn

2823
01:45:16,870 --> 01:45:15,199
it yeah

2824
01:45:18,550 --> 01:45:16,880
and um

2825
01:45:20,070 --> 01:45:18,560
uh you know there's places right across

2826
01:45:23,030 --> 01:45:20,080
the country that that you can visit that

2827
01:45:25,109 --> 01:45:23,040
have a ufo or a mysterious connection

2828
01:45:27,750 --> 01:45:25,119
well let's hear we'll do a little bit of

2829
01:45:29,189 --> 01:45:27,760
a lightning round maybe we've got uh

2830
01:45:31,270 --> 01:45:29,199
about uh

2831
01:45:32,709 --> 01:45:31,280
eight minutes left uh let's hear a

2832
01:45:36,390 --> 01:45:32,719
couple of the

2833
01:45:38,790 --> 01:45:36,400
most unexplained and then uh the top the

2834
01:45:39,910 --> 01:45:38,800
top ten if you can kind of go through um

2835
01:45:41,830 --> 01:45:39,920
i don't know if you need to look at your

2836
01:45:43,669 --> 01:45:41,840
notes no

2837
01:45:45,189 --> 01:45:43,679
yeah well off the top of my head we're

2838
01:45:46,709 --> 01:45:45,199
going to talk about falcon lake and

2839
01:45:50,550 --> 01:45:46,719
we've already talked about that shag

2840
01:45:52,629 --> 01:45:50,560
harbor is quite interesting um

2841
01:45:53,510 --> 01:45:52,639
there was a um

2842
01:46:00,390 --> 01:45:53,520
uh

2843
01:46:03,030 --> 01:46:00,400
circle and do ml alberta in 1967.

2844
01:46:05,270 --> 01:46:03,040
um and i'm just going for the top six

2845
01:46:08,070 --> 01:46:05,280
that were in this uh robertson briefing

2846
01:46:10,550 --> 01:46:08,080
there were two cases uh radar cases that

2847
01:46:12,709 --> 01:46:10,560
are also included in that that uh

2848
01:46:14,790 --> 01:46:12,719
happened in trying to remember they were

2849
01:46:18,390 --> 01:46:14,800
66 or 67

2850
01:46:20,790 --> 01:46:18,400
where um uh military-based radars were

2851
01:46:22,709 --> 01:46:20,800
uh had picked up these objects and uh

2852
01:46:24,310 --> 01:46:22,719
they verified that the

2853
01:46:25,990 --> 01:46:24,320
system was functioning completely they

2854
01:46:27,510 --> 01:46:26,000
were not radar angels it was not related

2855
01:46:29,030 --> 01:46:27,520
to weather not related to insects or

2856
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:29,040
birds

2857
01:46:34,390 --> 01:46:31,199
and so they were noted as as being very

2858
01:46:40,149 --> 01:46:38,390
there was a photographic case in calgary

2859
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:40,159
sorry not in calgary but uh west of

2860
01:46:43,830 --> 01:46:42,239
calgary alberta

2861
01:46:46,310 --> 01:46:43,840
uh where

2862
01:46:49,109 --> 01:46:46,320
uh a disc was uh was seen moving in the

2863
01:46:52,830 --> 01:46:49,119
sky uh two photographs were taken

2864
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:52,840
uh the uh the case uh was investigated

2865
01:46:57,669 --> 01:46:56,080
by uh the canadian air force and rcmp

2866
01:46:59,030 --> 01:46:57,679
and also this was also included in

2867
01:47:02,790 --> 01:46:59,040
condon

2868
01:47:04,709 --> 01:47:02,800
uh where uh the the photos seemed to be

2869
01:47:06,149 --> 01:47:04,719
modified there was no immediate

2870
01:47:09,030 --> 01:47:06,159
explanation

2871
01:47:11,990 --> 01:47:09,040
uh there were cases out in

2872
01:47:13,830 --> 01:47:12,000
uh in uh british columbia

2873
01:47:16,870 --> 01:47:13,840
fascinating case that a film was

2874
01:47:18,790 --> 01:47:16,880
actually made about it um

2875
01:47:21,109 --> 01:47:18,800
called space man

2876
01:47:23,030 --> 01:47:21,119
where a fellow named granger taylor was

2877
01:47:24,149 --> 01:47:23,040
uh really interested in ufos to the

2878
01:47:26,229 --> 01:47:24,159
point where he

2879
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:26,239
um built kind of a

2880
01:47:31,750 --> 01:47:29,920
a model of a ufo uh in his backyard

2881
01:47:35,350 --> 01:47:31,760
and uh he was actually quite a large

2882
01:47:37,430 --> 01:47:35,360
little uh little camper and he ended up

2883
01:47:39,510 --> 01:47:37,440
uh you know living in it

2884
01:47:40,709 --> 01:47:39,520
or spending some time in it uh he was

2885
01:47:41,990 --> 01:47:40,719
convinced that the aliens were

2886
01:47:44,470 --> 01:47:42,000
contacting him that they were going to

2887
01:47:46,870 --> 01:47:44,480
be landing uh one day

2888
01:47:48,870 --> 01:47:46,880
uh one night he said goodbye to his

2889
01:47:51,030 --> 01:47:48,880
family uh left him behind that the

2890
01:47:53,109 --> 01:47:51,040
aliens were going to be taking him and

2891
01:47:55,990 --> 01:47:53,119
he was never heard of again that's right

2892
01:47:57,830 --> 01:47:56,000
yeah i remember that story yeah

2893
01:48:00,629 --> 01:47:57,840
you know there's some some great stories

2894
01:48:04,470 --> 01:48:00,639
as i say it turned into a film which is

2895
01:48:07,189 --> 01:48:04,480
very very moving it's a

2896
01:48:08,709 --> 01:48:07,199
a very emotional movie um that uh i

2897
01:48:11,270 --> 01:48:08,719
don't think very many people have seen

2898
01:48:14,070 --> 01:48:11,280
yeah yeah it's uh called spaceman

2899
01:48:16,629 --> 01:48:14,080
uh so there's a lot of you know really

2900
01:48:19,189 --> 01:48:16,639
curious cases right across canada that

2901
01:48:20,470 --> 01:48:19,199
uh that are worth checking into and that

2902
01:48:22,870 --> 01:48:20,480
have been documented and i want to

2903
01:48:24,870 --> 01:48:22,880
emphasize they're documented you know

2904
01:48:27,510 --> 01:48:24,880
these are not necessarily just things

2905
01:48:30,149 --> 01:48:27,520
that you know people uh say they've seen

2906
01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:30,159
and and that's the last of it there are

2907
01:48:34,470 --> 01:48:32,400
you know government documents galore i

2908
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:34,480
mentioned that you know almost 10 000 uh

2909
01:48:39,270 --> 01:48:35,920
in the library in archives canada that

2910
01:48:42,950 --> 01:48:39,280
they've digitized um you know i've i've

2911
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:42,960
just finished digitizing uh 250 or 300

2912
01:48:46,629 --> 01:48:44,000
cases that are going to be made

2913
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:46,639
available that are not part of that set

2914
01:48:49,910 --> 01:48:48,880
and we're working on many many more

2915
01:48:51,590 --> 01:48:49,920
so

2916
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:51,600
uh you know

2917
01:48:55,750 --> 01:48:53,760
and that's canada we're still waiting to

2918
01:48:57,830 --> 01:48:55,760
hear exactly what is what's been going

2919
01:48:59,830 --> 01:48:57,840
on from united states we heard in fact

2920
01:49:01,910 --> 01:48:59,840
somebody asked me what about the 144

2921
01:49:03,590 --> 01:49:01,920
that the uop task force

2922
01:49:05,030 --> 01:49:03,600
couldn't explain

2923
01:49:07,590 --> 01:49:05,040
it's not quite true that they couldn't

2924
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:07,600
explain it what they said was they um

2925
01:49:10,709 --> 01:49:09,600
that the information wasn't sufficient

2926
01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:10,719
to to

2927
01:49:15,189 --> 01:49:12,719
adequately explain it i forget that the

2928
01:49:16,390 --> 01:49:15,199
wording in the unp task force report

2929
01:49:17,669 --> 01:49:16,400
but what that meant is that they

2930
01:49:19,189 --> 01:49:17,679
probably had an idea that it was an

2931
01:49:20,470 --> 01:49:19,199
aircraft or a drone or a balloon or

2932
01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:20,480
something but they couldn't identify

2933
01:49:24,629 --> 01:49:22,320
which aircraft or balloon

2934
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:24,639
um but nevertheless where's the data on

2935
01:49:28,229 --> 01:49:26,400
those 144

2936
01:49:30,790 --> 01:49:28,239
you know we would like to know date time

2937
01:49:32,149 --> 01:49:30,800
location who saw it how did it move you

2938
01:49:34,709 --> 01:49:32,159
know everything you need in a standard

2939
01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:34,719
ufo report we don't have anything like

2940
01:49:40,149 --> 01:49:37,440
that so far from uh you know what's been

2941
01:49:42,310 --> 01:49:40,159
produced so uh we

2942
01:49:43,990 --> 01:49:42,320
have every right to demand a little bit

2943
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:44,000
more information that

2944
01:49:47,030 --> 01:49:45,760
and it's not forthcoming which we still

2945
01:49:48,470 --> 01:49:47,040
don't have

2946
01:49:49,589 --> 01:49:48,480
even the information on the nimitz

2947
01:49:53,750 --> 01:49:49,599
videos

2948
01:49:56,390 --> 01:49:53,760
from the navy series um are from the

2949
01:49:58,470 --> 01:49:56,400
same event for the same the same time

2950
01:50:00,310 --> 01:49:58,480
why were they cutting in half

2951
01:50:01,750 --> 01:50:00,320
what happened in between

2952
01:50:03,350 --> 01:50:01,760
um

2953
01:50:05,510 --> 01:50:03,360
uh you know what about some of the other

2954
01:50:07,350 --> 01:50:05,520
data you know we have the the pilot uh

2955
01:50:09,510 --> 01:50:07,360
audio but doesn't seem to match to

2956
01:50:12,070 --> 01:50:09,520
what's what's being seen on the on the

2957
01:50:14,470 --> 01:50:12,080
film what is really going on we want all

2958
01:50:17,830 --> 01:50:14,480
the data we want the information that

2959
01:50:20,950 --> 01:50:17,840
would be nice um going back to the radar

2960
01:50:22,790 --> 01:50:20,960
case back in 1967 i believe you said

2961
01:50:25,510 --> 01:50:22,800
um maybe i have the year wrong i'm not

2962
01:50:28,709 --> 01:50:25,520
sure yeah but was that the one where

2963
01:50:31,750 --> 01:50:28,719
it was at a very very high speed

2964
01:50:32,950 --> 01:50:31,760
unexplainable speed

2965
01:50:35,109 --> 01:50:32,960
um

2966
01:50:37,189 --> 01:50:35,119
i think it was moving very fast yeah i

2967
01:50:39,189 --> 01:50:37,199
think it was yeah because if i remember

2968
01:50:41,589 --> 01:50:39,199
right now baby way off i remember

2969
01:50:43,990 --> 01:50:41,599
hearing about this a long time ago that

2970
01:50:47,109 --> 01:50:44,000
it was a radar case and it was over 2

2971
01:50:49,910 --> 01:50:47,119
000 miles an hour in the 60s

2972
01:50:53,030 --> 01:50:49,920
and am i getting that

2973
01:50:54,629 --> 01:50:53,040
i i'm trying to remember you know

2974
01:50:55,990 --> 01:50:54,639
off the top of my head which you know

2975
01:50:58,470 --> 01:50:56,000
whether it was uh

2976
01:51:00,470 --> 01:50:58,480
whether it was the the uh

2977
01:51:02,790 --> 01:51:00,480
you know 2000 miles an hour or something

2978
01:51:05,030 --> 01:51:02,800
like that i'm i'm fanning through my

2979
01:51:06,709 --> 01:51:05,040
book right now trying to find the actual

2980
01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:06,719
so yeah i'll put the picture of your

2981
01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:09,119
book up one more time so it's canada's

2982
01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:11,360
ufos declassified

2983
01:51:17,669 --> 01:51:12,239
and

2984
01:51:21,350 --> 01:51:17,679
in that

2985
01:51:22,790 --> 01:51:21,360
whoops what did i do unidentified radar

2986
01:51:24,870 --> 01:51:22,800
returns

2987
01:51:27,430 --> 01:51:24,880
uh

2988
01:51:29,430 --> 01:51:27,440
6th of july 1967

2989
01:51:30,950 --> 01:51:29,440
unidentified radar target was tracked

2990
01:51:32,629 --> 01:51:30,960
through seven sweeps of the radar

2991
01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:32,639
witnessed by three controllers and two

2992
01:51:38,550 --> 01:51:35,440
technicians radar plots show that this

2993
01:51:39,629 --> 01:51:38,560
target increased from a speed of 720

2994
01:51:42,950 --> 01:51:39,639
knots to

2995
01:51:44,470 --> 01:51:42,960
3600 knots in one minute and 10 seconds

2996
01:51:46,629 --> 01:51:44,480
yeah so it was even faster than i

2997
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:46,639
thought yeah and knots are

2998
01:51:50,629 --> 01:51:48,719
yeah that's about 4 000 miles an hour

2999
01:51:53,189 --> 01:51:50,639
that's the document we actually have the

3000
01:51:54,790 --> 01:51:53,199
document yeah that's excellent i love

3001
01:51:56,070 --> 01:51:54,800
the the document part of this whole

3002
01:51:57,109 --> 01:51:56,080
thing i'm gonna have to get that book

3003
01:51:59,510 --> 01:51:57,119
myself

3004
01:52:01,109 --> 01:51:59,520
so chris as always it's

3005
01:52:03,430 --> 01:52:01,119
a great pleasure to speak with you i

3006
01:52:05,510 --> 01:52:03,440
really really enjoyed tonight as i

3007
01:52:07,109 --> 01:52:05,520
always have every time we talk

3008
01:52:08,229 --> 01:52:07,119
thanks martin i guess we've baffled

3009
01:52:11,830 --> 01:52:08,239
everybody that's why they have no

3010
01:52:13,750 --> 01:52:11,840
questions so i guess so so uh i hope to

3011
01:52:15,109 --> 01:52:13,760
have you back on again and good luck

3012
01:52:17,990 --> 01:52:15,119
with this book i hope it goes really

3013
01:52:19,270 --> 01:52:18,000
well for you thank you all right

3014
01:52:21,189 --> 01:52:19,280
take care now

3015
01:52:23,189 --> 01:52:21,199
you too bye bye

3016
01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:23,199
all right everyone so thank you so much

3017
01:52:29,430 --> 01:52:26,480
and uh remember that uh

3018
01:52:31,109 --> 01:52:29,440
the blog of this week again it's by

3019
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:31,119
michael louk instead of

3020
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:34,320
our usual from charles he's out west

3021
01:52:39,750 --> 01:52:37,119
doing some research uh this is otis t

3022
01:52:42,470 --> 01:52:39,760
carr the man who patented saucers and

3023
01:52:44,390 --> 01:52:42,480
next week we're back with uh patrick

3024
01:52:46,070 --> 01:52:44,400
jackson from the uk

3025
01:52:48,390 --> 01:52:46,080
i'm not i can't remember what that

3026
01:52:50,390 --> 01:52:48,400
discussion is going to be about but um i

3027
01:52:52,709 --> 01:52:50,400
do believe it's going to be a great show

3028
01:52:55,030 --> 01:52:52,719
as uh we've been lucky to have some good

3029
01:52:55,910 --> 01:52:55,040
ones this year and i do appreciate

3030
01:52:58,229 --> 01:52:55,920
everyone

3031
01:52:59,430 --> 01:52:58,239
that follows the show and comes back

3032
01:53:03,030 --> 01:52:59,440
every week

3033
01:53:04,709 --> 01:53:03,040
and um it's been a real pleasure to do

3034
01:53:06,470 --> 01:53:04,719
this and i

3035
01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:06,480
i'm stalling time because i'm trying to

3036
01:53:10,149 --> 01:53:08,320
get to the right screen here all right

3037
01:53:12,540 --> 01:53:10,159
everyone so we'll see you next week and

3038
01:53:23,650 --> 01:53:12,550
remember to keep your eyes to the sky